Subaru Announces US Pricing for 2013 BRZ at $25,495

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by NeoDiNardo

What is the best about 30-35K car then?

Golf R? Nissan Z? WRX? STI?

Evo X, it'll trash all four of those and the 86 on a track despite being "heavy" and having "awd". Plus, it's very-very easy to make power from it. Low investment in common mods will make significantly more power due to it being Turbo (like the WRX/STI). Plus it has the grip to put said power down. Best handling 40k and less car out there right now new off the lots.

Originally Posted by NeoDiNardo

Plus the WRX shifter is not as good as the BRZ shifter. One less thing to upgrade.

Correct. The shifter in the WRX/STI is a steaming pile. So "bendy" feeling. If you were to buy one I'd option the SPT shifter and some kartboy bushings to tighten it up. The Evo X shifter isn't really that hot either. It's not like the Evo X/IX, which had one of the best feeling shifters out there off the lot new and stock. That's what I was concerned about with the 86's tranny being a Subie and all. Though they went for special help on that case, so it maybe worth something, but I'd take the journalists words on this with a grain of salt. They've stated numerous cars having great shifters, but in the end, they weren't up to par. Hopefully at best you'd just need some bushings for the 86.

Originally Posted by Cessblood

What happen to the days when people used to like a car because it performs well?

In this day and age, people expect more from their money, tis all. The fuel economy isn't that hot in comparison to other cars making more power, and said power isn't up to snuff as well for many.

[FLHC]

Originally Posted by Speedjunkie

Your fucked, sales manager is such a arrogant prick. Good luck with that! I got mine from the Lakeland Tampa dealership. First one on the list, and I was the only one who got to choose my options as far as color and trim model. They also promised no more than msrp.

Yeah dude IDK if you're talking about tampa or orlando, but I've never had a better experience than my experiences at the Mastro Tampa dealership. The sales manager there (forgot his name.. not sean, hes new) wanted to originally charge me 1000 for my deposit and told me that it's been like that for months.. -.-... but after saying I spoke with sean and it was orignally 500 he dropped his game and let me go 500. If anything, THAT was the worst experience I've had, and that was just a dude telling me its been like that for months and then backing off.

[Draco-REX]

So.. what.. Are we seeing a trend where FR-S owners are going to say they have a car for "real enthusiasts" and BRZ owners are just wannabes? Because if we're reading into other people motivations for their choice to go BRZ, there are some that can be said about FR-S owners.

People buy what they want to buy. The point of commerce is that both parties come away with something they want more than what they have. Who cares why someone chose a BRZ over an FR-S, did YOU get what YOU wanted?

Let's not start driving wedges already into a community so young.

[xrbvx]

I'll admit I considered the BRZ yesterday, but in my opinion, the BRZ interior is only slightly better on the premium. I do love the silver dash! over all it's the same machine so I'm surprised to read all the negative comments about the FRS.

[xrbvx]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

So.. what.. Are we seeing a trend where FR-S owners are going to say they have a car for "real enthusiasts" and BRZ owners are just wannabes? Because if we're reading into other people motivations for their choice to go BRZ, there are some that can be said about FR-S owners.

People buy what they want to buy. The point of commerce is that both parties come away with something they want more than what they have. Who cares why someone chose a BRZ over an FR-S, did YOU get what YOU wanted?

Let's not start driving wedges already into a community so young.

Well said!

[NeoDiNardo]

I'd totally drive a FRS if that's all I could afford.

I might of ordered the Premium if I was starting from scratch, but now that I have the Limited ordered, I think I will stick with that trim. Too afraid of losing my spot altogether. It's a guessing game anyway when it will come in, I will be saving up like $1000+ a month till it comes in, then we will see if I have enough, just what the bank will do for me. I think I might be able to get the Limited. I just don't know for sure is all. Right now? No. 7 months from now? Why not.

And I do want the Limited trim, but I might of saved that money and bought the Premium, then upgraded to after market heated high end seats or something. If I go by just money, I should be looking at the FRS, but I can stretch. Just need a few more months. Perhaps a second job. More roman noodles.

That said, even if the amenities and prices where the same, I like the look of the BRZ more. And I really love that WR Blue Pearl color.

[Kimsey47]

Originally Posted by NeoDiNardo

I'd totally drive a FRS if that's all I could afford.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Evo X, it'll trash all four of those and the 86 on a track despite being "heavy" and having "awd". ...
Best handling 40k and less car out there right now new off the lots.

Fanboy much? Half-decent trim of EVO X is over 40k, and in general it's a nose-heavy pig, that understeers like there's no tomorrow, when pushed.

[FLHC]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

So.. what.. Are we seeing a trend where FR-S owners are going to say they have a car for "real enthusiasts" and BRZ owners are just wannabes? Because if we're reading into other people motivations for their choice to go BRZ, there are some that can be said about FR-S owners.

People buy what they want to buy. The point of commerce is that both parties come away with something they want more than what they have. Who cares why someone chose a BRZ over an FR-S, did YOU get what YOU wanted?

Let's not start driving wedges already into a community so young.

I got a BRZ for my DD. It all depends on what kind of enthusiast. Track enthusiast? The 'REAL' track enthusiasts would buy one of these cars, gut it clean, and make a pure track car. How many of you FR-S purchasers are doing that?

I just graduated. I can't afford that. What I CAN afford though is a 3000 dollar miata, gut the shit out of it, slam it, and track it.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by FLHC

Yeah dude IDK if you're talking about tampa or orlando, but I've never had a better experience than my experiences at the Mastro Tampa dealership. The sales manager there (forgot his name.. not sean, hes new) wanted to originally charge me 1000 for my deposit and told me that it's been like that for months.. -.-... but after saying I spoke with sean and it was orignally 500 he dropped his game and let me go 500. If anything, THAT was the worst experience I've had, and that was just a dude telling me its been like that for months and then backing off.

He probably said that because the rest of us left 1k I believe. I could have left $50, Sean didn't seem to care what I left, but I left 1k to show I was serious about buying it and to make sure I would be first on the list :P

I've never bought a car from Mastro Tampa but have dealt with their employees a bit and I've never had a negative experience. I definately can't speak for the sanford location but I'd like to know his experience so I can inform Sean about the potential issue.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

So.. what.. Are we seeing a trend where FR-S owners are going to say they have a car for "real enthusiasts" and BRZ owners are just wannabes? Because if we're reading into other people motivations for their choice to go BRZ, there are some that can be said about FR-S owners.

People buy what they want to buy. The point of commerce is that both parties come away with something they want more than what they have. Who cares why someone chose a BRZ over an FR-S, did YOU get what YOU wanted?

Let's not start driving wedges already into a community so young.

Agreed.

I'm not sure most are hating on the FR-S so much but some are hating on the Scion brand, which I don't really understand in general but do understand for this car as the Toyota nameplate would tie in with the car's history.

I find that there are at least as many anti-BRZ posts as anti-fr-s/scion posts so I'm not sure which group is worse.

I just explain why I've made the purchase decision I have. No hate for either car.

[NeoDiNardo]

The biggest reason I like Subaru better besides trim levels is that I could trade a BRZ directly to a Subaru Dealer in 5 years and get a STI or WRX or what not, where as Scion has nothing else I could possibly want. The cool starry badge is just a personal warm fuzzy. Doesn't mean a dam thing. Unless it affects insurance.

[igorot]

It's the scion image that just steers me away. If it came to America as a Toyota offering different trim levels, it would've been a hard decision against the brz.

[sysfailur]

Haha yep... I guessed $27.499 for the trim I wanted and look at that. $4 off. Win!