Subaru Announces US Pricing for 2013 BRZ at $25,495

[Enemies]

Leather can be hard to take care of. Alcantara is pretty good and I'm not too worried about it so much.

I'd say a good quality cloth is probably going to stay looking better longer but it's hard to say. I'm a little paranoid about the leather with weather changes, etc. I hate, hate, hate when leather starts going bad.

If you are interested in any options I would probably see about paying for them in cash to keep the payments low. I went back and forth on Premium vs. Limited myself but in the end I thought I'd probably be a fool to pass up some options which I think would increase my enjoyment of the vehicle just for a couple thousand dollars.

Oh, and if you're a hockey fan I hope the Flyers get knocked out in the first round. I think it's going to be Pittsburgh's toughest series though. :P

[NeoDiNardo]

Originally Posted by Enemies

The trunk tray is an option listed for $75. The auto dimming mirror is an option too ($205 w/ Compass or $281 w/ Compass and Homelink).

The LSD on all trims is mechanical. Torsen.

I doubt you can just change from Limited to Premium. You would be giving up your 7th spot in line to put yourself at the back of the queue for Premiums if they aren't already filled up.

If I was you I would save what you could between now and when the car comes in and if you don't have enough, explain the situation and see if there's some compromise you and the dealer can come to.

Roger that. I should be fine, plenty of time, I could always get a second job with my 3x12s I work, plenty of time to work towards it. Just worried. And yes, I was thinking the dealer could be forced to come down a smidgen to complete the sale.

That push button start, L&A heated seats do speak to me.

[NeoDiNardo]

Is the Nissan Z even the same thing? I thought they were heavy cars. If I just wanted heavy and fast, I would buy a Mustang. I want nimble Porsche like handling. Like my 2006 Civic Si was only better plus RWD

I've learned with my old SI that the handling trumps the HP.

And honestly, until I see gas usage on the BRZ STI, I can't say that would be better. Alternatively, I think this BRZ engine can be upgraded easy with cold air intakes and exhaust upgrades, as they said it was designed with more headroom than it uses. They said it could have as much as 250 HP with a few tweaks, turboed to 275ish even. Just not sure what it would do for the gas.

[Enemies]

It always irks me a bit when people mention expectations of getting the car for less than MSRP because I think they underestimate demand for it. There might be a little wiggle room but I think while there's no stock these cars are going to disappear really quick even at MSRP. I know myself I'd be willing to travel hours (probably even a short flight to the next province over) if it meant getting my hands on this car so considering the population density of where you live I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to sell the car at full price if you weren't willing to pay it.

That's neither here nor there though. :P I'm the kind of person who has no problem making sacrifices for the things I want. I could definitely see myself eating PB&J sandwiches for practically every meal between now and when I get the car if it would be the only means I would feel comfortable in purchasing it.

As long as you're not stretching yourself too thin I don't think you'll regret making the purchase at all. Especially when your ass is all warm and toasty on a cool Pennsylvania night. :P

[NeoDiNardo]

I would eat a thousand PJ sandwiches a day for this car. No issues there. Just logistics. I have X amount of time, and X amount of dollars I can make. Not trying to rob the dealer. I doubt he will come down and I certainly don't expect a better price. I never asked for Invoice, I only made sure I got MSRP.

My "in demand" 2006 Civic Si was 2 grand more, I thought it was the best I could do, so I bought it, but then that same week in another town down it was MSRP. Guess how stupid I felt. So I've learned that paying extra is complete BS, no matter how hot the car is. There is always a dealer who will do MSRP.

While perhaps this car is a bit more in demand than my SI was, there are already quotes of upping production. By next year, I expect production to catch up with demand. But that is just a guess. Depends really. My impression is that cars like this are never discounted, they don't have massive production runs and overstock, so its pretty even with production and demand. But they will catch up to the massive demand, they like making money.

[NeoDiNardo]

And I purposely drove 45 minutes away from philly to get a better down to earth dealer who would do MSRP without a fight. It worked. A warm butt would be nice, but I want to leave PA! So I guess I'm taking my BRZed Warmed Butt somewhere else eventually!

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by NeoDiNardo

Is the Nissan Z even the same thing? I thought they were heavy cars. If I just wanted heavy and fast, I would buy a Mustang. I want nimble Porsche like handling. Like my 2006 Civic Si was only better plus RWD

I've learned with my old SI that the handling trumps the HP.

And honestly, until I see gas usage on the BRZ STI, I can't say that would be better. Alternatively, I think this BRZ engine can be upgraded easy with cold air intakes and exhaust upgrades, as they said it was designed with more headroom than it uses. They said it could have as much as 250 HP with a few tweaks, turboed to 275ish even. Just not sure what it would do for the gas.

We'll see about 250hp NA from a "few tweaks", which are an I/E + Tune. I doubt there's that much power tied up in the ECU for a flash, especially at it's 12.5:1 CR. If they did do that, it's HP would be really peaky, and torque will probably plummet lower than it already is. I'll believe 250hp NA when I see it, and that it's actually "usable" power, not some peak-queen.

If you were buying a FI model, you're not expecting good MPG anyways, you know what you're getting into. Though it probably wouldn't be pretty, as the way it sits now it's MPG ratings aren't that great at all for 200hp and 151tq.

They can't expect to compete with this car in the 30k range unless it's around 300hp, which is still less than it's competition, but it's weight should make up the difference.

[Enemies]

There will definitely be deals to be had. I just don't imagine it'll happen in 2012 with maybe very few exceptions (feel like going to Kansas to buy a car? )

[NeoDiNardo]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

We'll see about 250hp NA from a "few tweaks", which are an I/E + Tune. I doubt there's that much power tied up in the ECU for a flash, especially at it's 12.5:1 CR. If they did do that, it's HP would be really peaky, and torque will probably plummet lower than it already is. I'll believe 250hp NA when I see it, and that it's actually "usable" power, not some peak-queen.

If you were buying a FI model, you're not expecting good MPG anyways, you know what you're getting into. Though it probably wouldn't be pretty, as the way it sits now it's MPG ratings aren't that great at all for 200hp and 151tq.

They can't expect to compete with this car in the 30k range unless it's around 300hp, which is still less than it's competition, but it's weight should make up the difference.

22 City and 30 Hwy seems ok to me at the end of the day, considering the complete unique package, just perhaps too weak on the HP to gas ratio. NA and staying small and balanced while not losing all your power is perhaps the key thing here. I don't really know much about engines and stuff, this is where I can only speculate from my limited reading on the subject. It does seem power to gas gets better when you go for bigger engines, but what does that do for your center of gravity and handling, ETC. I dunno. What is the best about 30-35K car then?

Golf R? Nissan Z? WRX? STI?

[Speedjunkie]

Originally Posted by FLHC

luckily you went through mastro which is the most respectable dealer I've ever had the pleasure of buying a car from.

Your fucked, sales manager is such a arrogant prick. Good luck with that! I got mine from the Lakeland Tampa dealership. First one on the list, and I was the only one who got to choose my options as far as color and trim model. They also promised no more than msrp.

[NeoDiNardo]

After pondering, I'm set for the BRZ Limited, go big or go home. And if I can't afford it, I will just save longer and get it later or even a 2013/2014 redesigned WRX or a BRZ STI. When you look at it like that, you can't make a wrong choice, its just a matter of time. Either way, I will have a WR Blue Pearl Subaru badged car in my possession!

I'd buy a 2012 WRX Hatch, but the gas mileage is too low for me at 18 City / 25 Hwy, and the redesign is too close. I'm hoping for better gas than the outgoing model, or at least a better something. Plus the WRX shifter is not as good as the BRZ shifter. One less thing to upgrade.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Speedjunkie

Your fucked, sales manager is such a arrogant prick. Good luck with that! I got mine from the Lakeland Tampa dealership. First one on the list, and I was the only one who got to choose my options as far as color and trim model. They also promised no more than msrp.

Who did you have a bad experience with? All of us got to choose our accessories, color and trim. :shrug:

[KevinDuMa]

Originally Posted by NeoDiNardo

After pondering, I'm set for the BRZ Limited, go big or go home. And if I can't afford it, I will just save longer and get it later or even a 2013/2014 redesigned WRX or a BRZ STI. When you look at it like that, you can't make a wrong choice, its just a matter of time. Either way, I will have a WR Blue Pearl Subaru badged car in my possession!

I'd buy a 2012 WRX Hatch, but the gas mileage is too low for me at 18 City / 25 Hwy, and the redesign is too close. I'm hoping for better gas than the outgoing model, or at least a better something. Plus the WRX shifter is not as good as the BRZ shifter. One less thing to upgrade.

Honestly if you cant afford a limited just get the premium. I would like a limited as well but I can't be stepping in over 30 grand otd and even with the premium you can't go wrong, it's basically the same thing minus the push start and seats. I actually think it looks alot better without the fogs or the spoiler so thats a plus for me. I'm just really glad the premium has HIDs cause thats a biggie for me but don't feel obligated to buy the limited because of basically the heated seats cause I mean its not life or death with the push start and those are the 2 things you listed that you basically want. Take a bit to think about it and make the more wise decision for yourself.

[Cessblood]

Originally Posted by Matador

it's kinda stupid and anti-enthusiast when it comes down to a car that supposed to be all about enthusiast and driving.

I agree.

Originally Posted by denkigrve

www.scion.com

Go build a TC and add navigation. Their option is 2k.

Factory navigation is a joke anyway. I don't know why EITHER party would try to pimp that like it's amazing. I have an iOS device that will already be supplying the music for my stereo, and also the navigation for my car. So why would I want to shell out an extra lump of cash for some shitty nav that will never really be updated the way I can update an iOS/Android app? Or even try a new one if I don't like what I have.


The rest of this post is rant at the rest of this thread, not directed at you:

Most of the posts in this thread are EXTREMELY superficial, and are just people trying to justify a large sum of cash being spent. Knock that shit off. Stop trying to compare how large your e-penis is. Both cars are going to be amazing. Both looks exceptional for the price that is being asked of them. Both cars are going to be game changers. It's a unified platform. You're going to see MORE FR-S's being driven by actual motorsports enthusiasts since they can get more bang for their buck since they'll be replacing parts for upgraded ones. On top of Scion offering more total units for sale than Subaru. (My guess based on what I'm seeing)

This car is built for driving, and those that buy it will love driving it. I went with Scion because it's "THE SAME FUCKING CAR" only I'm paying less. So I can use that money for parts that I'm going to put on the car. Oh the Subaru understeers more? That won't matter anyway because if you really care about the performance you're gonna tune your suspension anyway. I'm personally planning to buy a rather expensive set of coil overs within 6 months so I can dial the suspension to exactly where I want it to be when I want it to be there. So if I got the BRZ that understeer wouldn't exist since I'm going to adjust anyway.

Stop bickering and trying to compare **** sizes. Just buy your car, love the shit out of it, and then when us FR-S drivers pass you BRZ drivers we'll all wave and know we all are part of some exclusive club of people that go in early on a game changing automotive platform.

I agree with you too.

What happen to the days when people used to like a car because it performs well?