2014 Nissan 370Z

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I'm not sure the 370z's 500+ lbs of extra weight went into sound deadening/rattle prevention. If you look at long-term reviews of the 370z, there were massive complaints about road noise on trips. I remember one reviewer thought about driving it from LA to SF, then backed out, saying it would have been like sitting next to a cement mixer for 10 hrs.

Also my 350z had plenty of rattles and tire noise (more than my FR-S), and it was even heavier than the 370z.

I think most of the Z's extra weight is coming from its chassis components (borrowed from larger sedan platforms) and the VQ engine.

Exactly. It needs a new, lighter chassis. Screw sharing platforms with the big luxury coupes. This has been recognized in the media for quite a while. There has been a lot of talk about how the new Z should be sleeker and closer to the original.

Sure, the Z is good for a street car for what you get stock compared to other new car options right now, but if you consider used cars, there are quite a few with much more potential... There aren't many 370zs holding track records, and nearly all of them used for drifting have v8s swapped in because the stock v6 doesn't have very high potential....

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

wasn't this thread suppose to be about the price point of the base 370z but it came out to be a **** measuring contest. 95% of the post here are Twin fanbois and 5% of the post here are educational and informative . Can't we get on topic about the price point?

LOL I'm not sure who you're calling Twin fanbois, but ZDan and Sideways don't even own Twins, and I used to own a Z and am just here correcting factual misstatements.

[Chad11491]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Exactly. It needs a new, lighter chassis. Screw sharing platforms with the big luxury coupes. This has been recognized in the media for quite a while. There has been a lot of talk about how the new Z should be sleeker and closer to the original.

Sure, the Z is good for a street car for what you get stock compared to other new car options right now, but if you consider used cars, there are quite a few with much more potential... There aren't many 370zs holding track records, and nearly all of them used for drifting have v8s swapped in because the stock v6 doesn't have very high potential....

the stock v6 with a stillen supercharger makes ~500+ whp...

as much as I love Z's , the 370 is a very hard sell. It gets big V8 gas mileage without big v8 power, not the best looks in town, and insurance is through the roof for me.

I agree 100% they need to go back to the original philosophy of an affordable everyman's sports car. My dream for the next Z is for them to use their 2.5l VQ turbo motor from a few years ago (280hp/300tq) , maybe update it to 300/300 , keep the weight at or under 3k lbs, and keep it ~30K and call it a 240z (cause you know, it's really a 2450cc engine, haha).

[Sideways&Smiling]

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ext-z-idx.html

Check out that thread. Even guys on a 370z forum are excited and speculating about a new, lighter Z.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Chad11491

the stock v6 with a stillen supercharger makes ~500+ whp...

Aren't FI 350/370zs pretty unreliable and costly though? From what I've read, they have a lot of issues...

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

the supra is 3200lbs but no one cries about that.

Twin turbo Supra was closer to 3500 lb., and I certainly cried about it. Car and Driver nailed it with this assessment: "Think of it as a Lexus for Smokey Yunick."
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test

Similarly, the 370Z is really a 2-seater Infinity G37/Q50.

That's what most people want, unfortunately. I'd rather have something smaller, lighter-weight, more minimalist, and I'm not worried about noise so much (any fixed-roof coupe would be an improvement over the S2000 I've dailied since 2007).

[MokSpeed]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

the supra is 3200lbs but no one cries about that. and the Z has more HP then the supra. just saying.

Nobody complains because the weight is due to a cast iron block which is virtually bullet proof allowing it to handle fuck tons of power. Remember we're talking about a motor that's almost 2 decades old that still keeps up with technology today.

[blackhawkdown]

Originally Posted by MokSpeed

Nobody complains because the weight is due to a cast iron block which is virtually bullet proof allowing it to handle fuck tons of power. Remember we're talking about a motor that is over a decade old that still keeps up with technology today.

cast iron block is not a significant part to why the supra weighed so much.

[MokSpeed]

Cast iron is heavier than aluminum so I'd say it played a pretty significant part. The Supra was also a very large car in size for its era.

[tahdizzle]

Meh Supra lol.


Its because of that damn movie the Supra gets all that hype.

[MokSpeed]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Meh Supra lol.


Its because of that damn movie the Supra gets all that hype.

You're correct about the car gaining popularity because of "that movie"! I was almost tempted to sell it for a stupid ridiculous price at the time because I know people would pay that much. I like it, but what I really love about it is the motor which is why I have 2 of them haha.

[tahdizzle]

No doubt the supra is a stout car and is worthy of praise. Actually I'm all for all the puffery involved with a Supra.

Because I can still get a TT 300zx at a reasonable price.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I used to own a 350z and enjoyed it for what it was (even while owning my FR-S). It's possible that someone can appreciate both cars and debate whether they want more power or less weight.

Yeah but you bought both and it seems you sold the 350 and kept the FRS which kind of makes my point. Owning both eliminates the problem of course but that seems to be the rare exception and those who would wouldn't ask. I'm not saying you can't compare anything, like an orange to an Orangutan, just that trying to help most people decide between a 370z or 86 will largely be a waste of time. You see it in the 370 thread, the Challenger thread, the Camaro thread, the 328 thread, etc. I know people like to think they are helping people like those but IME it pretty much falls on deaf ears. Subconsciously those people have already decided they can live with a heavy more powerful car with various trade-offs so saying they are considering the 86 is kind of disingenuine to me. I think it's often largely part of some people's psychological validation process that they did due diligence during their new car purchase process. If people are fine being part of that exercise even when they already have their minds made up, that's fine more power to you.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by totopo

Think of it this way, why would anyone want a brz/frs instead of a miata?

Exactly, another lame comparison IMHO. Miata versus MRS versus Lotus versus S2000, yeah that makes sense. Miata versus BRZ? Dude, you don't know what you want, don't ask me to waste my time figuring it out for you because you'll just do whatever you want anyway. Sorry if that's too frank, but that's how I see it.



Don't know about too old or large, but too heavy absolutely. Personally I can't stand daily driving anything over 3000lbs. Been there, done that, no thanks. Just not part of my make up. In fact the 86 is too heavy but I'll be content when it's down to 2600lbs or so.