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smokeynyc · 07-30-2010, 10:51 AM

I own a JDM swapped 3SGTE MR2 and an Impreza, I drive both very frequently and to be honest theres not much of a difference in terms of the butt dyno. Both are very torquey motors and the powerband hits nice and early. Compared to my old RSX-S, I really like the low to mid range power band that the turbo motors get instead of a higher revving NA motor. Thank god they didn't castrate this car like they did with the MR2 Gen 3. Either way the EJ20 is a VERY easy motor to get power out of and the only thing its really lacking right now is direct injection, which Toyota is going fix. Lets hope for version 7 EJ207 forged internals!!!! For you guys that don't know the EJ207 spec C(STI version 7 and 8) had a 8300RPM redline.

Midship Runabout · 07-30-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

3S can be thought of as 4/6ths of a 2JZ. Sort of.

2/3rds...

but yes same bore and stroke. just minus 2 cylinders

Dimman · 07-30-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

2/3rds...

but yes same bore and stroke. just minus 2 cylinders

I was going with cylinder numbers in case fractions confused too many people. Heh. But aside from the 86 X 86, and iron block they're probably quite different. I seem to recall that when they're mounted longitudinally (like in the Altezza), the intake and exhausts sides are opposite of the 2JZ. Either that or I was looking at a mirrored pic...

Midship Runabout · 08-01-2010, 07:05 AM

nope intake is on the left on both when look towards the crank pulley. you might have been looking at a sr20. dumb datsuns are backwards.

Dimman · 08-01-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

nope intake is on the left on both when look towards the crank pulley. you might have been looking at a sr20. dumb datsuns are backwards.

What do you mean by left/right (viewpoint or sides of the car?) and from looking at the crank pulley?

JZ cars, when standing in front, looking into the engine bay have intakes on the right side as seen from the viewers point of view, left side of the car.

I swear the 3S is opposite. I'm going to go have a look right now, just to make sure I haven't gone insane...

Edit:
Thankfully, not crazy...

3S:

2JZ:

ichitaka05 · 08-01-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

IDK why, but I've loved Beams 3S head cover.

NESW20 · 08-01-2010, 04:56 PM

Dixie - they're on the opposite sides.

anyone know how long the rods are on the 2JZ?

Dimman · 08-01-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

Dixie - they're on the opposite sides.

anyone know how long the rods are on the 2JZ?

I got 142mm off one site. But it didn't specify if that was overall length or center to center length.

Edit: That's center to center length.

Midship Runabout · 08-02-2010, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

nope intake is on the left on both when look towards the crank pulley. you might have been looking at a sr20. dumb datsuns are backwards.

Im an idiot. I guess after a good night of drinking and not getting any action, I make mistakes. (check the 3am post) Sorry everyone.

Dimman · 08-02-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

Im an idiot. I guess after a good night of drinking and not getting any action, I make mistakes. (check the 3am post) Sorry everyone.

It's ok. You'll never make that mistake with the boxer. Just remember the intake in on the top and the exhaust is on the bottom.

ichitaka05 · 08-02-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

It's ok. You'll never make that mistake with the boxer. Just remember the intake in on the top and the exhaust is on the bottom.

But I have met a moron that couldn't tell which side is up or down on short block EJ22 engine before... yes, he didn't know what he was doin' and disassemble his engine.

Dimman · 08-02-2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

But I have met a moron that couldn't tell which side is up or down on short block EJ22 engine before... yes, he didn't know what he was doin' and disassemble his engine.

People can be pretty amazing sometimes. lol

ichitaka05 · 08-02-2010, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

People can be pretty amazing sometimes. lol

Seriously! How he couldn't tell the difference?!?!?! There's an oil pan on the bottom! Anyways yes, some people amaze me sometimes.

NESW20 · 08-02-2010, 03:05 AM

2JZ has slightly longer rods than the 3S.

makes me with i had 182mm rods in my 3S...

08-01-2010, 04:56 PM	#63
NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 29 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dixie - they're on the opposite sides. anyone know how long the rods are on the 2JZ? __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

08-02-2010, 03:05 AM	#70
NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 29 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	2JZ has slightly longer rods than the 3S. makes me with i had 182mm rods in my 3S... __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

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07-30-2010, 10:51 AM	#57
smokeynyc Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Drives: GC8 Coupe, MR2 Turbo Location: MA/NYC Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I own a JDM swapped 3SGTE MR2 and an Impreza, I drive both very frequently and to be honest theres not much of a difference in terms of the butt dyno. Both are very torquey motors and the powerband hits nice and early. Compared to my old RSX-S, I really like the low to mid range power band that the turbo motors get instead of a higher revving NA motor. Thank god they didn't castrate this car like they did with the MR2 Gen 3. Either way the EJ20 is a VERY easy motor to get power out of and the only thing its really lacking right now is direct injection, which Toyota is going fix. Lets hope for version 7 EJ207 forged internals!!!! For you guys that don't know the EJ207 spec C(STI version 7 and 8) had a 8300RPM redline.

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