Is anyone else on the fence due to the engine choice?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

A boxer 4 cylinder offers some significant advantages in a FR platform. It lowers the center of gravity due to the low height of the motor. And it moves the center of gravity back due to the short length of the motor. Flat fours are also inherently balanced on one plane (as opposed to both like an L6 or H6, but L4s are not naturally balanced at all). And if it is an EJ series motor, they are proven that they can make good power. More than most people will need in the F/T/R-86/S.

It's an excellent choice, despite not being from Toyota.

Excellently put. As an aside, Toyota is working on the heads, and adding their D4-S system, so I am thoroughly thrilled about the engine choice.

[[es vi: eks]]

I said in some other threads before.. What it looks like is that it will have the brand new replacement for the EJ series engine since Its getting pretty old. New tech etc is taking over.
The new block is based of the EZ series of motor but as a 4 cylinder... Its lighter, smaller timing chain etc

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by [es vi: eks]

I said in some other threads before.. What it looks like is that it will have the brand new replacement for the EJ series engine since Its getting pretty old. New tech etc is taking over.
The new block is based of the EZ series of motor but as a 4 cylinder... Its lighter, smaller timing chain etc

Hmmm... Will Toyota be willing to risk a super-anticipated new vehicle launch with an unproven new engine? We will see...

[Siriusly.Andrew]

They will just prove it is all.

[Sleeperz]

2011 Ford Explorer SUV

Explorer's available advanced 2.0-liter EcoBoost I-4 delivers the power of a normally aspirated V6 without compromising four-cylinder fuel economy. Aimed at the SUV buyer whose top priority is fuel economy, this turbocharged and intercooled I-4 engine delivers a projected 237 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 250 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,700 through 4,000 rpm. The EcoBoost employs direct injection of gasoline, Ti-VCT, direct-acting mechanical bucket (DAMB) valve lifters and four valves per cylinder.

[70NYD]

there is no reason a new engine wouldnt work, even IF it was a fresh design. computers and CAE has come such a long way in the past few years alone that you can design a whole car and all components and their assembly (including engine assembly and gb etc) in a matter of months with a good team ofcourse and you can know with high lvl of confidence assurance it will work when creatd in real life

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Sleeperz

2011 Ford Explorer SUV

Explorer's available advanced 2.0-liter EcoBoost I-4 delivers the power of a normally aspirated V6 without compromising four-cylinder fuel economy. Aimed at the SUV buyer whose top priority is fuel economy, this turbocharged and intercooled I-4 engine delivers a projected 237 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 250 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,700 through 4,000 rpm. The EcoBoost employs direct injection of gasoline, Ti-VCT, direct-acting mechanical bucket (DAMB) valve lifters and four valves per cylinder.

What exactly does this have to do with the thread?

Originally Posted by Dimman

Hmmm... Will Toyota be willing to risk a super-anticipated new vehicle launch with an unproven new engine? We will see...

Define unproven? On the contrary, why would they risk putting an archaic engine in the car? Car companies don't really give you cars hoping that you mod them and boost the crap out of them. Metallurgy has come a long way from the days of the 3S and JZ engines. Toyota does continue to build their engines with a wide margin for error.... the Aluminum metal matric block 2ZZs have been seeing up to 500hp. I wouldn't worry too much.

[serchmarc]

what the f are you guys talking about



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[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

What exactly does this have to do with the thread?




Define unproven? On the contrary, why would they risk putting an archaic engine in the car? Car companies don't really give you cars hoping that you mod them and boost the crap out of them. Metallurgy has come a long way from the days of the 3S and JZ engines. Toyota does continue to build their engines with a wide margin for error.... the Aluminum metal matric block 2ZZs have been seeing up to 500hp. I wouldn't worry too much.

Unproven as in 'new'. A blank that no one knows anything about. Tuners have to start from zero, parts manufacturers have to start from zero, that kind of thing. It makes for a bit of lag when it comes to improvements, getting parts or finding out the weak points (7M head gasket for example).

The EJ may have a long history but I don't think I would call it 'archaic' given all the changes that Subaru has made over the decades. It's been open deck, closed deck, semi-open deck (I even think iron and aluminum block at different times but don't quote me), DOHC, SOHC, NA, turbo, valve timing, Ichi could probably add to this...

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

The EJ may have a long history but I don't think I would call it 'archaic' given all the changes that Subaru has made over the decades. It's been open deck, closed deck, semi-open deck (I even think iron and aluminum block at different times but don't quote me), DOHC, SOHC, NA, turbo, valve timing, Ichi could probably add to this...

Sorry, what I'm adding? You guys w bigger English is confusing me. You gotta translate it to Engrish. You want me to list the EJ engine specs or the whole Subie boxer engine specs?

Put the joke on the side.

Let me start back from few ppl's comments

Originally Posted by [es vi: eks]

I said in some other threads before.. What it looks like is that it will have the brand new replacement for the EJ series engine since Its getting pretty old. New tech etc is taking over.
The new block is based of the EZ series of motor but as a 4 cylinder... Its lighter, smaller timing chain etc

Which is base off EG... which was base off EJ (EJ22 iirc)... Mary-go-around?

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Define unproven? On the contrary, why would they risk putting an archaic engine in the car? Car companies don't really give you cars hoping that you mod them and boost the crap out of them. Metallurgy has come a long way from the days of the 3S and JZ engines. Toyota does continue to build their engines with a wide margin for error.... the Aluminum metal matric block 2ZZs have been seeing up to 500hp. I wouldn't worry too much.

Originally Posted by Dimman

The EJ may have a long history but I don't think I would call it 'archaic' given all the changes that Subaru has made over the decades. It's been open deck, closed deck, semi-open deck (I even think iron and aluminum block at different times but don't quote me), DOHC, SOHC, NA, turbo, valve timing, Ichi could probably add to this...

sorry can you guys define me a 'archaic' engine? What makes the engine an 'archaic' and not?

[Matador]

ancient, old, prehistoric... got the picture?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Sorry, what I'm adding?

All the many different things Subaru has done with the EJ series over the years. Come to think of it I left out installing sequential twin turbos on a 2.0L 4 cylinder. Maybe not all were good ideas...

It could be considered kaizen in action, what Subaru has done/is doing with the EJ.

[[es vi: eks]]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Which is base off EG... which was base off EJ (EJ22 iirc)... Mary-go-around?

sorry can you guys define me a 'archaic' engine? What makes the engine an 'archaic' and not?

The only thing the EZ30 and EG33 has incommon is they both flat 6s and used in Subarus.
The EZ30 was a complete new design at the time.

Its not archaic but I just think tech has improved and emmissons are getting even stricker. Every one is wanting timing chains better fuel eccommony etc.
It maybe easer and cheaper for them to build a complete new engine from scratch.

Subaru has had a good run out of their flat 4 engines
Well the EA series of engine had a production run of aprox 25years
The EJ has about 21 years so far.

[Dimman]

All they need is a new head with some kind of dual VVTL-i or something and direct injection. EJ lives on for 5 more years...