Take It To The Track!!

[wbradley]

I saw a very young looking guy dirving a 2 tone black and turquoise Bugatti on Kennedy Rd a few weeks ago. He was Asian, and he could have been 50 but he literally looked 20 to me.

Apparently at UBC there are a number of student driven supercars in the parking lot. Apparently they are much cheaper here, so the parents pay for them so they can be shipped back to mainland China when the kid is done.

[Superhatch]

The driver also was operating the vehicle without a license, according to Sgt. Kerry Schmidt.

the driver had his license seized and suspended for a week.

Wut?

So 10:30 at night, 3 lane highway and he hit 150 in a GTR...which can happen in roughly 18 seconds (we get to about 90...have you ever hit 90 in your car?).

Without knowing any of the extenuating circumstances I'll make some assumptions as everyone else is anyway.

With nobody on the road at all for a really long stretch, this driver took an on-ramp and had lots of visibility down the highway and saw no cars on the road. In his $110,000 supercar he had a quick blast onto the freeway. At the peak of his acceleration 18 seconds later, just before he decided to slow down he got radared by a cop....at 149 mph.

I bet almost EVERYONE with a car that can do those speeds has done it once. I rented a GTR and hit those speeds on an open stretch of freeway. I AM THE DEVIL!!!

Hate him because he's 18 and has what you likely won't ever have...sure. But with that poorly written internet article leaving tons open to our imagination I wouldn't be quick to jump on anyone.

If you are really that concerned about high speeds on open freeways then you should be in favor of all cars only being able to hit the speed limit. Perhaps limited by GPS unless they are on a designated track area?

[jvincent]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

Wut?

So 10:30 at night, 3 lane highway and he hit 150 in a GTR...which can happen in roughly 18 seconds (we get to about 90...have you ever hit 90 in your car?).

The point is he was 140 KMH over the limit. No matter what car you're driving that's a lot different than 50 or 60 KMH over the limit.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Frost

I live at Kennedy and Ellesmere and go to P-Mall every now and then - you are absolutely right BUT those guys are all mainlander chinese (I am pseudo-HK) with more money than driving ability (I don't even call it skill). Those guys/gals are ridiculous and I try to avoid going to P-Mall unless I absolutely have to.



I have a friend who lives in Vancouver and graduated out of UBC - some of the stories I hear about rich kids walking into Lambo dealerships asking for a new car because they crashed the last are ridiculous.

I've heard the same stories from the local Bimmer dealer. They even have cash counting machines now because these people will walk in with no credit but literally have a ton of cash stuffed into a T&T grocery bag. Wrap a new car around a pole, comes back and trades in for a new one.

The other week a rich high school kid crashed a fancy Merc into a pole in front of my friend's house (the pole literally saved my friends from getting run down in the living room) and she just left the car there, and walked the rest of her way to school. The cops had to order her back to the scene otherwise will handcuff her on the spot. She thought she can just leave the car there and waste management will pick it up ROFL!

I've finally realized why all the manufacturers are pushing automatic transmissions now, the take up rate is much higher with these rich kids practically replacing the previous yuppie customer base from yesteryears.

I see a lot of $100k to $200k+ German cars driven by these folks painted in all kinds of ridiculous bright colors and they drive ridiculously reckless all the time.

In Vancouver every kid's parent must be Li Ka-Shing lol!

[Superhatch]

Originally Posted by jvincent

The point is

Is this thread to dissuade 18 year old rich kids from excessively speeding in their supercars, or to dissuade anyone from excessively speeding in their supercars?

I'm sure in either case were making a big impact.

My point is what's the point of owning a supercar if you can't use a bit of it's potential on an open 3 lane highway?

Doing 150 in the GTR or any of it's ilk isn't the same as doing 150 in the BRZ, or in an Accord. It comes up quick, and you have the stability and brakes to make it back to 0 in an insane rate. What were talking about here, imo, is a conversation about relativity, roughly in the sense of physics but more in the sense of what is known to the people posting in this thread.

We don't own supercars. Most of us haven't ever driven a supercar and if so, nowhere near it's limits. When we hear about someone going fast, on the street in a super car we think in terms of what we know. 150mph is as FAST as our cars go! And maneuvering at that speed is nearly impossible, and the braking distances are huge!

Now take the perspective of your average Toyota Corolla driver. To them 100 MPH is fast! Maneuvering at that speed is nearly impossible, and the braking distances are huge!

When it comes to cars it's all relative. To someone driving a supercar 0-150-60 is nothing. Zip...there you are. On an open road, with nobody around it's just an instant rush that only requires you to put your right foot down for 15 seconds or so.

If you don't like that people do this, then you need to make these cars illegal. Because if you had one you would do the same thing, even if on rare occasions. If by some miracle you wouldn't ever, ever, ever go that fast, then you are in the minority of supercar owners, and the argument to make them illegal still applies.

[PMPB]

Supercars are show cars, and track toys. Using their capabilty capability has no place on the street. I plan to own a supercar, just because. I have no intentions of breaking the law, just because I can, even if it's safe to do so.

[wparsons]

And just like that, two cabs busted for racing downtown!

http://ca.autoblog.com/2012/01/26/tw...ng-in-toronto/

[Frost]

Originally Posted by wparsons

And just like that, two cabs busted for racing downtown!

http://ca.autoblog.com/2012/01/26/tw...ng-in-toronto/

WTF? Seriously? WTF? There goes their LIVELIHOOD forever!

[FR-S Guy]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

Wut?

So 10:30 at night, 3 lane highway and he hit 150 in a GTR...which can happen in roughly 18 seconds (we get to about 90...have you ever hit 90 in your car?).

Without knowing any of the extenuating circumstances I'll make some assumptions as everyone else is anyway.

With nobody on the road at all for a really long stretch, this driver took an on-ramp and had lots of visibility down the highway and saw no cars on the road. In his $110,000 supercar he had a quick blast onto the freeway. At the peak of his acceleration 18 seconds later, just before he decided to slow down he got radared by a cop....at 149 mph.

I bet almost EVERYONE with a car that can do those speeds has done it once. I rented a GTR and hit those speeds on an open stretch of freeway. I AM THE DEVIL!!!

Hate him because he's 18 and has what you likely won't ever have...sure. But with that poorly written internet article leaving tons open to our imagination I wouldn't be quick to jump on anyone.

If you are really that concerned about high speeds on open freeways then you should be in favor of all cars only being able to hit the speed limit. Perhaps limited by GPS unless they are on a designated track area?

Originally Posted by Superhatch

Is this thread to dissuade 18 year old rich kids from excessively speeding in their supercars, or to dissuade anyone from excessively speeding in their supercars?

I'm sure in either case were making a big impact.

My point is what's the point of owning a supercar if you can't use a bit of it's potential on an open 3 lane highway?

Doing 150 in the GTR or any of it's ilk isn't the same as doing 150 in the BRZ, or in an Accord. It comes up quick, and you have the stability and brakes to make it back to 0 in an insane rate. What were talking about here, imo, is a conversation about relativity, roughly in the sense of physics but more in the sense of what is known to the people posting in this thread.

We don't own supercars. Most of us haven't ever driven a supercar and if so, nowhere near it's limits. When we hear about someone going fast, on the street in a super car we think in terms of what we know. 150mph is as FAST as our cars go! And maneuvering at that speed is nearly impossible, and the braking distances are huge!

Now take the perspective of your average Toyota Corolla driver. To them 100 MPH is fast! Maneuvering at that speed is nearly impossible, and the braking distances are huge!

When it comes to cars it's all relative. To someone driving a supercar 0-150-60 is nothing. Zip...there you are. On an open road, with nobody around it's just an instant rush that only requires you to put your right foot down for 15 seconds or so.

If you don't like that people do this, then you need to make these cars illegal. Because if you had one you would do the same thing, even if on rare occasions. If by some miracle you wouldn't ever, ever, ever go that fast, then you are in the minority of supercar owners, and the argument to make them illegal still applies.

okay I'll bite....

Your argument of an open highway with nobody in sight is a bit of a stretch seeing as the stop was made at 10:30 pm. Also there's only a handful of highways in the entire GTA so I don't think any of them are ever really empty.

You ask what is the point of owning a supercar. I think the answer is (somewhat sadly) 50% social status, 30% cool factor, 15% driving capability over a normal sports car, and 5% ability on the track. I believe absolutely none of the point of owning a supercar is so you can go on blasts at over twice the speed limit on a public highway.

I believe much of your post revolves around your opinion that "the car was built for it". I agree, to some extent, but also keep in mind that the DRIVER was not built for it. Throwing me in a fighter jet does not make me a pilot. Similarly, throwing me in a supercar does not necessarily make me a race car driver (although I like to think it does ). Just because the car can go 100 to zero in the blink of an eye, doesn't mean I will react fast enough to step on the brakes. Also keep in mind that (again, sadly), most drivers are idiots. Ever been cut off on the highway? Now imagine that while you're going 3x faster than everyone else. You might die, they might die, and thousands of tax dollars will be spent trying to save you and/or wash away the mess you leave on the road.

And finally, I think the most prevailing thing above all here is that IT IS THE LAW. Circumstances (almost always?) mean nothing. You speed at over 50 km/h over the limit, you lose your license and your car. End of story. Oh but what if the road was empty? Too bad. What if I drive a Formula 1 car? Don't care. The law is the law, no different from murder being murder. Should we let you off if you murdered another murderer? The law is clear, and if you choose not to obey it, you pay the consequences.



....anyone catch the note about him cutting his finger on the door? Haha.....

[tanner]

A friend of mine knows his parents (probably not as friends but as acquaintances), last year this kid had a Bentley and wrote it off (though was no idea who's fault it was) and the day later his parents goes and gets him a GTR.

I'm going to make an assumption that the chances of him at fault in that accident is fairly high. One thing for sure, if that happened to me at that age regardless of the car that was given to me, my driving privileges would have been taken away from me as long as I lived under their roof.

Regarding young adults driving supercars, yeah, they're everywhere in the GTA. I know of a guy in his mid 20s driving a Lamborghini, it wasn't bought by his parents but money he made playing poker. Waterloo grad in math, I think I studied the wrong thing in school LOL.

[Frost]

The arguement that the highway is "almost empty" is NEVER TRUE in the GTA.

I've driven at pretty much all times in the GTA highways and I've never seen it empty. There are ALWAYS trucks on the roads. ALWAYS. Thats what you get to Just-in-time deliveries and the stupid movement of reducing inventory (without truly understanding why you do it).

[7thgear]

you can get yourself on to Mosport GP almost every weekend during the summer months

if you can afford a supercar, you can easily afford the track time

except that these super car owners are for some reason afraid of breaking their car at the track.. but not the street?!


take it to the track

you get to go as fast as you want and much faster than you would on the street and blast through corners at triple digits to boot.


Everyone i know that's been going to the track have generally become calmer daily drivers. Once they drive at 100% of their cars potential, when they get back on the street they realize the pointlessness of this public display of power.

[nocwage]

The fastest I've gone at Mosport was 200km/h in a CTS-V, but I only got to go around the track three times in that car so I didn't want to go too nuts..
With a WRX I was more aggressive with the car itself but topped at 190ish.
Now the only speeding I do on highways is when I don't realize i've inched up past 120..

[automatic]

Got up to 280km/h at Mosport GP on my sportsbike...after a year of tracking, got bored of riding it on the street and got a dual sport