Traction Control memory module installed

[tennisfreak]

No one "needs" the TC and VSC off all the time.

Lots of people want it off though (myself included).

Its annoying that its on all the time by default and I have to turn it off. I'd rather manually turn it on when I feel I need it.

And I completely agree with OP on turning from a dead stop into hard acceleration. Its jarring and annoying to have the damn TC kick in and kill power.
This happens more often than it should because the damn hard @ss rubber these stock tires have. The tires slip at the slightest hint of acceleration on most of the blacktop roads around here.

[J_kennington]

Originally Posted by wparsons

No offense intended to anyone in here, but why does everyone feel like they need to turn TC and VSC off for daily driving?

You can turn very quick laps with both fully on, there's simply no need to have them disabled on the street.

If you find the VSC intervening a lot on the track, you're probably over driving the car unless you're a very competent driver needing a bit more rotation than the VSC is happy with.

Because #racecar and #tokyodrift.

Nah honestly I agree with you. Normal daily driving, I don't bother to turn them off. This past Friday, I turned vsc off while running the tail of dragon, simply because each hairpin was causing tc, granted it's understandable. 90* turns at 40mph I would expect it to correct.

[tahdizzle]

If you are on public streets/highways/freeways and you get the VSC in sport mode to slap you on the wrist... You are not driving safely.

There are a bunch of people who will chime in "I've been driving for XX Years, and have experience doing XXXX.."

No one is as good as they think they are, and thats not the point at all. On public roads, you have to worry about the other idiots too.

[Floggin Tires]

This dude (i assume) is kinda giving a
review, and linking a product. Not debating when where to use the system.
Use it or don't.
When you want, where you want.
Live a lil.
Ease up.

Originally Posted by banzairx7

If you don't like the mod good for you.

Originally Posted by banzairx7

For me it's causing more problems then it's solving. Problem is the you are correcting for a problem the TCS has all ready solved and can end up unsettling the car even more.

Word

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by J_kennington

Because #racecar and #tokyodrift.

Nah honestly I agree with you. Normal daily driving, I don't bother to turn them off. This past Friday, I turned vsc off while running the tail of dragon, simply because each hairpin was causing tc, granted it's understandable. 90* turns at 40mph I would expect it to correct.

This isn't directed at you, just general commentary...

I still stand by my original point, if it's correcting you like that then you're over driving the car. If there is enough grip to take that corner at 40mph and you're giving it smooth and correct inputs then it wouldn't be intervening.

You should be able to drive the track (or road) in the current conditions without relying on VSC to correct you before ever considering turning it fully off. If VSC steps in before you have taken any corrective measures you don't have the skills to save it without the nannies.

All that said, driving with VSC in sport mode on the street is still very safe, it doesn't give you much room to screw up before it brings you back to a more stable place.

I was at an HDPE over the weekend, and my instructor has a BRZ. We spent some time probing just how much the VSC will let you get away with, and the only time it stepped in was either when doing bad things (erratic inputs, etc) or when trail braking too much to get more rotation. Chances are that if you're working on perfecting trail braking harder, your skills are already very good though.

Some people seem to think that disabling VSC gives the car higher cornering limits, which it doesn't. VSC doesn't limit grip in any way, it just regulates slip angle.

[J_kennington]

Originally Posted by wparsons

This isn't directed at you, just general commentary...

I still stand by my original point, if it's correcting you like that then you're over driving the car. If there is enough grip to take that corner at 40mph and you're giving it smooth and correct inputs then it wouldn't be intervening.

You should be able to drive the track (or road) in the current conditions without relying on VSC to correct you before ever considering turning it fully off. If VSC steps in before you have taken any corrective measures you don't have the skills to save it without the nannies.

All that said, driving with VSC in sport mode on the street is still very safe, it doesn't give you much room to screw up before it brings you back to a more stable place.

I was at an HDPE over the weekend, and my instructor has a BRZ. We spent some time probing just how much the VSC will let you get away with, and the only time it stepped in was either when doing bad things (erratic inputs, etc) or when trail braking too much to get more rotation. Chances are that if you're working on perfecting trail braking harder, your skills are already very good though.

Some people seem to think that disabling VSC gives the car higher cornering limits, which it doesn't. VSC doesn't limit grip in any way, it just regulates slip angle.

I hope it's not towards me, because I said I agree with you lol. Under normal conditions you shouldn't have to turn it off(is it technically turning on it? Maybe that's where some confusion comes in. I consider when I push the button it turns it off).

I only gave the example at the dragon because it's not a very forgiving road, and on stock tires you could tell they were wanting to spin in the constant hair pins at ~40-50mph. With all nannies on, I could literally feel less power throttling out of the turns, with vsc off car felt normal. Was I driving faster than I "should", that's a definite yes. But, it's part of "conquering the dragon".

[wparsons]

That sounds more like TC than VSC. You'll know VSC because it will add brake to one (or more) corner to stop a slide. VSC sport mode does give a bit more lenience in wheelspin before TC kicks in too.

For reference, I consider VSC on to be how the car starts up normally, VSC sport if you press the sport button, and off is holding the TC button for a few seconds until TC and VSC are off.

If you're getting wheelspin mid corner, you're probably on the gas either too soon, or too hard before unwinding the steering angle. It can be fun, but it's slower than waiting for grip.

[zdr93523]

Originally Posted by wparsons

You should be able to drive the track (or road) in the current conditions without relying on VSC to correct you before ever considering turning it fully off. If VSC steps in before you have taken any corrective measures you don't have the skills to save it without the nannies.

Some people seem to think that disabling VSC gives the car higher cornering limits, which it doesn't

I disagree with these comments. You should check out the video of the guy who went off track when the nannies freaked out over curbing.

Also, I track in diagnostic mode and frequently explore the car's limits. Even in sport, the nannies kick in anywhere from parking lots to roundabouts during daily driving. They can really make the car unstable when they intervene when you are expecting a certain amount of rotation, even when driving smoothly.

If you are on track using the nannies, then you aren't learning the nuances of your car yet, and if they aren't kicking in, then you aren't pushing your car, which is fine, not everyone wants to beat on their car or has the skill to push it yet.

They aren't there to save you on the track, they're there for stupid people who do overdrive their car or don't possess the skill to save the car during emergency situations.

Now, I typically leave them on for dd but can see the value of this product, if it did the pedal dance.

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[kiichiro]

Just ordered thx

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by zdr93523

I disagree with these comments. You should check out the video of the guy who went off track when the nannies freaked out over curbing.

Also, I track in diagnostic mode and frequently explore the car's limits. Even in sport, the nannies kick in anywhere from parking lots to roundabouts during daily driving. They can really make the car unstable when they intervene when you are expecting a certain amount of rotation, even when driving smoothly.

If you are on track using the nannies, then you aren't learning the nuances of your car yet, and if they aren't kicking in, then you aren't pushing your car, which is fine, not everyone wants to beat on their car or has the skill to push it yet.

They aren't there to save you on the track, they're there for stupid people who do overdrive their car or don't possess the skill to save the car during emergency situations.

Now, I typically leave them on for dd but can see the value of this product, if it did the pedal dance.

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Re-read what you quoted... I'll stand by what I said originally.

Until you have the skills to be driving without VSC kicking in, you shouldn't be disabling it. I'm not talking about people with lots of track experience pushing for more rotation, etc. I'm talking about beginners that lack the experience to properly correct without VSC saving them.

[EAGLE5]

On one corner bump of my daily commute, VSC almost always squeezes the left rear brake, which upsets the car more than the bump does, even in sport mode. It's not a perfect system. Still, I usually leave it on.

[akyp]

Do USDM cars get different TC/VSC programming than the rest of the world? In the dry I can make the OE Michelins spin loudly and the TC won't do a damn thing about it. On mountain roads I drive with VSC Sport mode, and if I run over a pool of water I MUST correct it myself because VSC won't prevent me from going into a wall.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Its annoying that its on all the time by default and I have to turn it off. I'd rather manually turn it on when I feel I need it.
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It has been said before: "IF you drive this car on the street in such a way that the nannies are 'interfering with your driving style' then you drive like an asshat".

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by akyp

Do USDM cars get different TC/VSC programming than the rest of the world? In the dry I can make the OE Michelins spin loudly and the TC won't do a damn thing about it. On mountain roads I drive with VSC Sport mode, and if I run over a pool of water I MUST correct it myself because VSC won't prevent me from going into a wall.

To my knowledge, nobody has fully or at least publicly explored the VSC/VDC/ABS hardware and software.