Ride not as smooth after putting on new wheels

[B-R-Z]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Wrong again, you most definitely can turn the wheels with the car not running. It's VERY hard because we have a very quick ratio rack, but it can be done. If you turn the key all the way off the ignition interlock stops the wheel, but if the key is in the run position with the car not running you can turn the wheel fully in both directions. If you put the front end on jack stands you can turn it very easily.

There's simply no way there would be any legit steering feel, nevermind such fantastic steering feel, with a steer by wire setup.

This is true, I installed my front lip this past weekend and I had the front jacked up. I needed to put a screw into the inner/wheel side of the front bumper and I manually turned a wheel (to make room for the drill) and the steering wheel spun with it.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Wrong again, you most definitely can turn the wheels with the car not running. It's VERY hard because we have a very quick ratio rack, but it can be done. If you turn the key all the way off the ignition interlock stops the wheel, but if the key is in the run position with the car not running you can turn the wheel fully in both directions. If you put the front end on jack stands you can turn it very easily.

There's simply no way there would be any legit steering feel, nevermind such fantastic steering feel, with a steer by wire setup.

Everything I've seen has said it's electric steering, not electric assist.

When looking at the specs for the new WRX and STI, it says for the wrx "Electric steering", but for the STI "power assisted steering."

So, I'd expect for the BRZ/FR-S for it to say "electric power assisted steering", not "electric steering."

So, show the specs .

[supramkivtt2jz]

you have less sidewall and it is stiffer than stock. that said, get everything balanced again.

[sshole]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Everything I've seen has said it's electric steering, not electric assist.

When looking at the specs for the new WRX and STI, it says for the wrx "Electric steering", but for the STI "power assisted steering."

So, I'd expect for the BRZ/FR-S for it to say "electric power assisted steering", not "electric steering."

So, show the specs .

Really? Because my post didn't clearly and legitimately show you that our cars have a fucking steering linkage?

The 2015 STI has hydraulically assisted power steering because it's still using the same drivetrain from the 2014 STI. The new WRX uses the same system as the BRZ because it can.

When people say electric steering, they mean electrically assisted power steering. Kind of like when people say you're an idiot, they mean you're a stubborn, ignorant, belligerent idiot.

Note: I'm not making attacks at you. I'm making attacks at your stubbornness to concede that you were wrong.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Everything I've seen has said it's electric steering, not electric assist.

When looking at the specs for the new WRX and STI, it says for the wrx "Electric steering", but for the STI "power assisted steering."

So, I'd expect for the BRZ/FR-S for it to say "electric power assisted steering", not "electric steering."

So, show the specs .

Forget what the marketing people messed up in the wording, did you see the pictures below? The Scion Canada site shows it as "Electric power steering", not "electric steering":

http://www.scion.ca/scion/en/vehicle...ons/mechanical

Originally Posted by sshole

ermahgerd

Have you ever looked at your steering rack before? It has a physical linkage that goes straight to... drum roll please... your steering wheel!

Look at this picture looking up from underneath the driver side of the car. You can see the end of the rack (with boot) and shooting up towards the firewall is the steering linkage. Which goes to the steering wheel.



Whodathunk?

[SirBrass]

Ah, okay. Thank you. That's exactly what I asked for.

And I'm glad to be proven wrong here.

[emutcfut]

IIRC, the only production car available with actual "electric steering" is the new Infiniti Q50. No physical linkage to the steering rack on that car.

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by stugray

I dont see your point. You can upgrade the stock non-adjustable coilovers to aftermarket non-adjustable coilovers too.

My point was everyone want to "upgrade my car to have coilovers" when the car HAS coilovers stock.

I think what people really mean is "I want to upgrade my car to have coilovers with adjustable spring perches and variable dampening shocks".

But just saying I want coilovers is like me saying "I want to upgrade my BRZ limited to have push to start".

And my first post was questioning you when you said "I had a set of adjustable coils ...."

If you meant "I adjusted the height of my coils" then it would not have made the ride any stiffer unless you lower the car onto the bump stops.

What you probably menat was "I adjusted my shocks to be stiffer".

I don't see the point in being pedantic when you clearly understood my original post lol nit picking

[dobbrz]

Originally Posted by stugray

Just going by what he said.
The quote was:


As far as I know there is no such thing.
My ground controls on my racecar have adjustable perches for the coils (does not adjust ride stiffness) and adjustable shocks (dampeners) that DO adjust stiffness.

It's all just terminology used improperly.

I just love it when people say "I'm going to upgrade my BRZ and get coil-overs!".
Ummm.. yeah, the car already HAS coilovers....

Now if I said I was going to upgrade my Porsche front end to have coil-overs, then that would mean something.

I know the terminology may not be technically exact, but generally when people say coilovers they mean adjustable height and dampening as you mentioned. I know that it isn't technically correct, but it is what the majority of the car population refers to them as now. For example when you go to the coilover section of an online car part website you will get height and dampening adjustable coilovers and not regular un-adjustable shock/spring setups usually. I know you know this and you are just being cheeky giving the guy a hard time for his ignorance

[B-R-Z]

I agree it's sometimes ball breaking for someone to point out that a coilover is the type of suspension setup vs. adjustable coilovers. It does sometimes need to be differentiated, though.

[B-R-Z]

I called the shop and the guy sounded cool about it, he said yea no prob come in tomorrow. I rotated the wheels about an hour after talking to him, I'm trying to tell if there's improvement. I prefer not to have then rebalance the wheels, I'm afraid they will get scuffed and paint will be ruined, xxr sucks.

I'm thinking its possible that the lugs were not seated perfectly so the wheel may not have been perfectly centered on the hub.

[wparsons]

There are lots of places on the highways near me that feel 100% smooth in my wife's Camry, but even on my snows I can feel the subtle ripples (feels like wheels are out of balance). I know it's not my car because you can see the ripples if the light is right, and moving side to side in the lane changes the feeling.

Regarding centered on the hub, are your wheels the right diameter center bore, or are you using taper seat lugs? Unless the lugs weren't tightened sequentially, it's very unlikely that they didn't seat properly but got torqued down fully.

There's definitely no harm in checking things over though!

[B-R-Z]

Yes the lugs are tapered.

Is it possible for a wheel to not have any weights on it while the other 3 do, and be balanced?

[Vracer111]

Or maybe (if it's not a balance issue) the car will actually ride rougher on a "smooth surface" because you increased the unsprung mass by at least several lbs. Increasing unsprung mass by several lbs does effect ride quality...for the worse. Simple physics...you have more mass putting more force into your dampers - it's not going to ride the same, it will feel rougher on a 'smooth road'. You have to look at it from the suspension perspective...