4th gen ND Mazda MX-5 Miata

[Bristecom]

Assuming they don't make any stupid mistakes, this new Miata could be a real competitor! In my opinion, the Miata has always been lacking in a few areas: power, fuel economy, styling, technology (eg. no nav system), and too much body roll. There is a good chance that they will address all of these things with the next generation. The SkyActiv engine is capable of producing a lot of power while retaining good fuel economy. So this thing could be as fun or even more fun than an S2000 if they do it right.

And so I really hope that they revise the 86/BRZ next year to combat it.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by sato

Kinda disagree... I'm sure we don't need a drag racer miata, but just sticking an economy engine carried over from the Mazda3 is lazy. They can do better.

I mean, why have a turbo miata special edition, or keep increasing engine power throughout production years if it was just a nice to have?

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the maita has always had the economy engine taken from the 3 so i dont see why it would be a problem now. its not lazy. its cost effective. if you want the cheapest convertible sports car, there are going to be compromises and that is such a small compromise and im sure it saves some serious money.

[sato]

But didn't the later miata engines have a bit more power than the regular powerplants? Id say those are different engines. If they massaged the CX5 engine to developed a bit more power, I'd be satisfied with the Miata platform.

On the other topic, with the Miata possibly weighing something in the neighborhood of 2000 pounds, that sexy double wishbone suspension all around, and possibly 170ish Hp, I see the twins competing if they add some power to even the Hp to weight ratio.

Very eager to see what Mazda can bring to the table

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[fatoni]

Originally Posted by sato

But didn't the later miata engines have a bit more power than the regular powerplants? Id say those are different engines. If they massaged the CX5 engine to developed a bit more power, I'd be satisfied with the Miata platform.

On the other topic, with the Miata possibly weighing something in the neighborhood of 2000 pounds, that sexy double wishbone suspension all around, and possibly 170ish Hp, I see the twins competing if they add some power to even the Hp to weight ratio.

Very eager to see what Mazda can bring to the table

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i doubt its going to be directly ripped out of a 3. im sure there will be differences. they havent mentioned anything either way so i dont know why youre calling them lazy. i dont think mazda cares about the twins. just like they didnt care about all the other competition. whether thats a good or bad thing boils down to opinion but i appreciate the fact that they have always built the car they want instead of responding to the market. thats how compromises happen and its why cars are heavy and have 400hp..

[Sideways&Smiling]

For those who complain about the Miata's looks, it can be more aggressive...

[sato]

Not Mazda, but anybody who doesn't put in a bit more effort. It might have made sense for Toyota to put the "remaining" 2az-fe engines in the Matrix and Corolla XRS models, but they certainly weren't more exciting than the earlier models with the 2zzge (taken out due to emission compliance issues?).

Subaru also carried over the previous STI engine into the new chassis for 2015... Even if.the.overall packaged significantly improves from the previous model, it has not been received that we'll.

Don't call it lazy; call it lame then. Jajaja

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[sato]

That said, I like those little SkyActive engine. The 2.5 hauls @SS, despite what the numbers say. I just think that if they keep the same engine and just put a close ratio manual transmission in for better acceleration, they could cut fuel economy a bit. Then again, who knows... The twins look like can give good fuel economy when not driven like a racecar

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[sato]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I dont think mazda cares about the twins. just like they didnt care about all the other competition. whether thats a good or bad thing boils downloads to opinion but i appreciate the fact that they have always built the car they want instead of responding to the market. thats how compromises happen and its why cars are heavy and have 400hp..

That is one of the traits I do like about Mazda... Follow their own road. And agree 100% on the 400hp compromise, which is the main reason I like the twins; they went the other direction.

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

For those who complain about the Miata's looks, it can be more aggressive...

Sexy...


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[sato]

Oh, and this thread just gives me more reasons to keep poking my head in the forums... Jeje

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[serialk11r]

If your goal is a faster car, since the Skyactiv 2L has a lot of torque for a light car, you could do a regrind on the intake cam to push the powerband up with a higher duration. Should be able to get at least 180hp like that, if it doesn't bother you that you lost power below 5k, and no emissions issues since it's an invisible mod.

[Dark]

I just got WRX less than a month, and now I think Miata is going to win my money next year... If and only if they get the look right.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

For those who complain about the Miata's looks, it can be more aggressive...

If they built a coupe like this from the factory for the USDM, I would've bought a Miata a long time ago.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by mx5 2nr

I'll probably ruffle a few feathers but I don't know that I'd call the Solstice/Sky "arguably better". Perhaps if it wasn't killed prematurely & had a generation or so to refine itself.

S2000, was much pricier than the Miata of it's time. The MR-S was about as close as anyone's gotten to "a Miata that's not a Miata" & I think it should still be in production.

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

S2k, Solstice, Sky, MR2/MR-S, Z3 etc etc.

Not like a Miata due to: Price or weight. The other thing is that none of them had longevity, they all were products of companies that pulled the plug when sales slumped.

Like mentioned above: Mazda kept the weight down, the power down and the price down and also stuck with it regardless of sales volume. I think the bigger question is not "will someone make a competitor to the Miata" but instead, "will a company besides Mazda ever make an affordable sports car and stick with it as a matter of principle?"

I'm hoping Tada-San and Toyota have become that company but just in case that isn't a reality, then I hope Mazda and Fiat make a new a Miata that really fires on all cylinders.


Which brings me to the Alfa (Fiat).. Is anyone else super excited for a roadster that has Mazda (Japanese) reliability and Italian styling? That seems like the greatest idea ever.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

S2k, Solstice, Sky, MR2/MR-S, Z3 etc etc.

Not like a Miata due to: Price or weight. The other thing is that none of them had longevity, they all were products of companies that pulled the plug when sales slumped.

Like mentioned above: Mazda kept the weight down, the power down and the price down and also stuck with it regardless of sales volume. I think the bigger question is not "will someone make a competitor to the Miata" but instead, "will a company besides Mazda ever make an affordable sports car and stick with it as a matter of principle?"

I'm hoping Tada-San and Toyota have become that company but just in case that isn't a reality, then I hope Mazda and Fiat make a new a Miata that really fires on all cylinders.


Which brings me to the Alfa (Fiat).. Is anyone else super excited for a roadster that has Mazda (Japanese) reliability and Italian styling? That seems like the greatest idea ever.

it still blows my mind that you understand how singular the purpose mazda had with the miata but still dont think its a great car. the frs is already more expensive and heavier than the miata. what are you hoping for?