FRS-BRZ-Genisis- possible supra

[thill]

I owned a 2013 Gencoupe 2.0T and the engine pulls pretty hard. But it lacks:
- You sit up higher than the BRZ. The BRZ interior IMHO is more driver focused from the seating, to the steering wheel, to the controls and switches.
- The biggest drawback to the Gencoupe is the 6 speed manual. It is very vague. Some of the throws are long. I keep coming back to the word "vague" when I think of the manual in this car and it was, for me, probably the biggest drawback. If a third party offers a short shifter with better bushings, it could improve it.
- Like what was said above, the Gencoupe is not a horrible handling car. But it is not a BRZ/FR-S. It is heavier, the steering is not as precise, and at the end of the day it is not nearly as fun to drive to me as an FT86.
- The nannies in the Gencoupe are very restrictive and you will find yourself turning them off more than the BRZ. You can feel them kicking on even with some normal non aggressive driving.
- Hyundai overestimates their MPG on this car like they do with many of their cars. I could hit EPA numbers, but only with more conservative driving. The FT86 is easy to hit EPA MPG numbers even with spirited driving. But you get more power for those reduced MPG's.


I don't know if this makes sense but the FT86 feels more like a sportscar and a car designed from the ground up for the driver. The Gencoupe feels more like a car where Hyundai bolted on some performance parts but the sum of parts just does not add up to a really fun sports car. The Gencoupe checks all the boxes in terms performance. Brembos, hydraulic steering rack, twin scroll turbo with lots of torque down low. There is a lot of there for the money. If Hyundai can improve their manual and handling with the car it would be a really good car. Right now I would say it is a good car but just not special to me.

If you want more power and don't want to go FI you may want to look into an Evo and also the new WRX. Both of those cars have really good handling and lots more power.

[ZionsWrath]

IMO the Gen coupe is a car thrown together with a list of parts they polled high school guys to come up with.

RWD
Turbo
Coupe
Brembos
6 Speed

But the Genesis is a perfect example of a car being more (or in this case less) than the sum of its parts. I believe the genesis was trying to fill the void the twins now occupy. Our cars have more aftermarket in the first year than what I saw on genesis when I was researching it.

For a time before the twins came out I thought I wanted it, but I just couldn't get over thinking it was gimmicky. For example, OMG R SPEC FOR RACERS doesn't have cruise control to save 1 ounce of wiring and toggle switch, really? Then that rear quarter glass "swoosh"? Come on make a clean line...

In the end I'm glad I found out about this car and happy to own one.

[DarkSunrise]

To me, the Genesis Coupe doesn't quite have the polish that it needs. Take, for example, the drivetrain shift protection that momentarily cuts throttle on hard upshifts. Along with the rubbery shifter. And the numb steering and understeer on turn-in. Any one of those things in isolation might not be a deal-breaker, but when you combine them, you get a dulled down experience.

The value is definitely there. Few cars offer 348 hp, RWD, a torsen LSD, etc. below $30k. But it's the execution and details that matter for some.

[robwbright]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

To me, the Genesis Coupe doesn't quite have the polish that it needs... Any one of those things in isolation might not be a deal-breaker, but when you combine them, you get a dulled down experience.

The value is definitely there. Few cars offer 348 hp, RWD, a torsen LSD, etc. below $30k. But it's the execution and details that matter for some.

That was pretty much my experience. And yes, the value is there. It's a lot of car for $29k, but it didn't quite work, IMO.

[RosarioBRZ]

Quick story, when I first went to purchase a "CAR" I didn't have anything in mind, I went to Lehman hyundai here in south florida, I test drove the 2.0 and the 3.8. It felt great, handling was good, the power was there, the interior was up to par with any cars in that price range, if not better.

I got back from the test drive with the sales guy (who is now my friend) and was getting ready to start the paperwork and go on my merry way, my sales guy then says "wait, have you drove the BRZ?" I'm like WTF is a BRZ, he then shows it to me wrb BRZ. He the tells me to go test drive it with him. I start to drive and immediately I felt more connected, it felt as if I was driving a real sports car, sure it doesn't have the nice interior of the Genesis, BUT I felt more connected to the car and the road, so I didn't want to care about the interior. He tells me to push it, so I did and that cars engine sounded amazing, we come up on a tight turn he tells me to press the vsc button and turn as hard as possible, so I did, and OMG I am glad I took that turn the way I did because it was the TURNING Point of my car hunting experience, that moment when that car went sideways for that little bit, was the climax of my day. I pulled over and told him to drive the rest of the way, he asked me why, I told him I didn't want to break my brand new car lol. So yea fuck the Genesis with all due respect lol. Wrb limited

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[tyrantcf]

Having driven both many times pretty much back to back, I think the FRS/BRZ and the Genesis coupe are just in different categories.

Initially I liked the Genesis 3.8 Track for the power and looks. But after driving a twin they really are nothing alike. The twins to me feel like little spec series race cars while the Genesis (in any trim level) is little more than a good looking muscle car. Having said that, I dont think I would hate having a Genesis.

[vangisback]

Holy fuq i was interested until i started reading the first few lines. Fuq me

[swpbrz]

Originally Posted by slicktop

Holy fucking thoughts-into-text-batman. If you like the twin, keep the twin. If you like the Genesis, get the Genesis. Toyota already stated that they will not have a turbo version. The twins are a modders car. They made them fun in stock form but they respond extremely well to modifications which is the blood of the car. If you wait for next years model, you're going to keep waiting forever.

The twins are not a modders car. They were extensively designed for accessible fun from the factory. That was the entire point of the car. It needs no mods unless something is wrong with your personality and you need to impress other people or yourself.

[w.k.s.]

Originally Posted by swpbrz

It needs no mods unless something is wrong with your personality and you need to impress other people or yourself.

I can live with that.

[UMB FR-S]

Originally Posted by swpbrz

The twins are not a modders car. They were extensively designed for accessible fun from the factory. That was the entire point of the car. It needs no mods unless something is wrong with your personality and you need to impress other people or yourself.

Or if you use it for motorsports. Or if you enjoy doing cosmetics mods. Lots of people like cars for different reasons don't be so close minded.

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[slicktop]

Originally Posted by swpbrz

The twins are not a modders car. They were extensively designed for accessible fun from the factory. That was the entire point of the car. It needs no mods unless something is wrong with your personality and you need to impress other people or yourself.

I literally said exactly what you pointed out aside from your last sentence. You undoubtedly are a purist, and I can't fault you for that, but the car is geared towards the young crowd because it's a cheap, sporty, RWD coupe from the factory. They could have added [any performance/cosmetic upgrade], but they didn't to keep it cheap all-round for their customers and themselves.

Again, it's fun in stock form but responds ridiculously to modifications. The twins are the next-gen tuners car.

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by swpbrz

The twins are not a modders car. They were extensively designed for accessible fun from the factory. That was the entire point of the car. It needs no mods unless something is wrong with your personality and you need to impress other people or yourself.

It was designed from the ground up by its designer, Tetsuya Tada, to be modded by the user... It is an excellent drivers car in stock form, but there is room for improvement because it's not a perfect car (factory steering rack bushings, the stock FA20 motor's 2,900 to ~4,800 rpm response under load, the car runs at fairly hot oil temperatures normal daily driving, steering wheel position is off center of driver seat centerline just like in most every other car made...). The entire point of the car is to have a well designed chassis and overall complete factory package that can be used as is or as a starting point for fine tuning to something even better. I would say suspension wise it's basically all you'd really ever need though; 2 years of ownership mine still is 100% stock suspension and brakes.

[alpine]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

IMO the Gen coupe is a car thrown together with a list of parts they polled high school guys to come up with.

RWD
Turbo
Coupe
Brembos
6 Speed

But the Genesis is a perfect example of a car being more (or in this case less) than the sum of its parts. I believe the genesis was trying to fill the void the twins now occupy. Our cars have more aftermarket in the first year than what I saw on genesis when I was researching it.

For a time before the twins came out I thought I wanted it, but I just couldn't get over thinking it was gimmicky. For example, OMG R SPEC FOR RACERS doesn't have cruise control to save 1 ounce of wiring and toggle switch, really? Then that rear quarter glass "swoosh"? Come on make a clean line...

In the end I'm glad I found out about this car and happy to own one.

This pretty much sums it up. I had a 2010 Genesis 2.0t in highschool and I remember saying to myself that there was nothing else out there with these qualities for the price, turbo, rwd, coupe, etc. So to me it all added up(PERFECT CAR). We'll after owning it for a year and trying to make it fast with the extreme lack of aftermarket support I realized it was not the car for me. Again I had the older model so it was a bit slower and the interior was less extravagant. Now that I have a twin I realize what it is to own a drivers / modders car with all of the after market support for us. Basically moral of the story is if you get a genesis you're going to have a bad time

[congee]

I sat in my friends genesis. Forgot which year it is but it was one of the new ones with the fake grill on the hood and the dimple bumper. Interior is years ahead of the gt86 however, It just doesn't feel like a sports car. Torque is better and obviously a bit faster ride but there wasn't any feeling to it. It felt more like a sports grand touring than a sports car. It sort of felt like my luxury suv but lowered. The genesis ride quality on the highway is also years ahead of the gt86. Its comfortable but I wanted a more sporty/fun car. Which is why I got an 86.