Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by regal

I know if I get the cash for a hotair innovate its getting his hot air tune, said he put a lot of blood sweat and tears to get a great reliable carb tune.

The tune you buy from him will not be a carb approved tune. The carb approved tune that he created is included as part of the carb approved SC kit from Innovate.

@DeliciousTuning - please correct me if i'm wrong.

[regal]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

The tune you buy from him will not be a carb approved tune. The carb approved tune that he created is included as part of the carb approved SC kit from Innovate.

@DeliciousTuning - please correct me if i'm wrong.

That's what I meant Delicious did the carb as far as I know, and they made a lot of discoveries to make it reliabale, That's what I heard. Ditto if I'm wrong.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by regal

That's what I meant Delicious did the carb as far as I know, and they made a lot of discoveries to make it reliabale, That's what I heard. Ditto if I'm wrong.

Yeah, he made their carb tune. He also sells tunes that are more customized if you want to go that route (definitely worth the money, imho.)

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by regal

Read between the lines, the last post I saw said he is weekends only with this platform. The man has to rest sometime. Either way it must be slower progress he's brain may be super human but he's not superman.


I know if I get the cash for a hotair innovate its getting his hot air tune, said he put a lot of blood sweat and tears to get a great reliable carb tune.

I don't need to read between the lines. I've talked to Bill directly lol, and within the past week.

I think he was moving into his new shop this week. Anyway, he knows its not an excuse and he has to attend to his customers, but you are correct, hes not superman.

[regal]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

I don't need to read between the lines. I've talked to Bill directly lol, and within the past week.

I think he was moving into his new shop this week. Anyway, he knows its not an excuse and he has to attend to his customers, but you are correct, hes not superman.

Well you sir are ourspie, let us know what his plans are, I've got 14 months till warranty is up

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Yeah, he made their carb tune. He also sells tunes that are more customized if you want to go that route (definitely worth the money, imho.)

Depends on what you want, I heard the carb tune can take more abuse than the factory tune, that's what you want for a daily with track days imho.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by regal

Depends on what you want, I heard the carb tune can take more abuse than the factory tune, that's what you want for a daily with track days imho.

meh, the carb tune is a cookie cutter boxed tune with no adjustments (by definition of being a carb tune, it can't be changed without going through another round of approval in California). I tend to think a tune that has gone through proper review/revision process will be more desirable, (especially when you consider that Bill will take your use case into account when creating that custom tune for you and can dial it back to be as safe as you so desire), but to each his own.

[regal]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Yeah, he made their carb tune. He also sells tunes that are more customized if you want to go that route (definitely worth the money, imho.)

Originally Posted by xjohnx

meh, the carb tune is a cookie cutter boxed tune with no adjustments (by definition of being a carb tune, it can't be changed without going through another round of approval in California). I tend to think a tune that has gone through proper review/revision process will be more desirable, but to each his own.

The problem with the tuner kits is your whole engine is reliant one one guy. If its Bill your in good hands, but beyond that I find it risky the quest for that extra 10 hp with limited dyno time, limited budget just gets risky imho.




When it comes to teams who have tuners on the staff many end up with less hp than stock, they go for longevity and broad torque band (at the expense of emissions), surprisingly that's what we want in a daily.




I hope a track tune like that is developed in the open source world for the innovate in a few years (wishful thinking.)




Changing subject a tad I thought buy now the only pos disp blower would be the goto kit for these cars, what's holding it back? Did ther undersize the blower, Vortech made that mistake at the beginning, the high compression ratio is beyond the typical charts used to match a blower to an engine. Then there's the $700 for the Ecuteck surcharge. I'm interested to see whats on the table in a couple years. Certainly won't bee near as many pulley driven turbos on the market.

[Sellout]

Did ther undersize the blower

I think that's exactly what they did. Not enough headroom. Like Vortech discovered on one of their old kits that was mentioned in the Vortech thread, people want room to grow. They want it enough that the kit will not sell very well, even if 90% of the buyers never actually make use of that additional capacity.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

The tune you buy from him will not be a carb approved tune. The carb approved tune that he created is included as part of the carb approved SC kit from Innovate.

@DeliciousTuning - please correct me if i'm wrong.

That is correct. We created the tune for CARB for Innovate Motorsports. In order to be CARB approved though you will need to purchase the tune directly from Innovate Motorsports ONLY.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by mikalem

Yup I've tried both - doesn't change the behavior. Just for fun I took one of the longer logs I have to map rpm, load, and knock learning correction - there's a point between 2500 - 3500 rpm that shows a bunch of negative correction ( up to around 2 degrees in some cases). I checked around 4 different logs I have, both 93 and mixes of e85 - all show around the same thing.

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Yes, the 8.54 map resolves this. I do apologize for not getting back to everyone earlier. I have been moving into my new facility and getting sorted along with working nearly 21 days straight from 8am to 10pm each day. It has not been fun to say the least and I know everyone wants there updates and I am working on getting caught up now.

Please be patient.

Thank You,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Yes, the 8.54 map resolves this. I do apologize for not getting back to everyone earlier. I have been moving into my new facility and getting sorted along with working nearly 21 days straight from 8am to 10pm each day. It has not been fun to say the least and I know everyone wants there updates and I am working on getting caught up now.

Please be patient.

Thank You,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Thanks Bill. Take your time, no rush from me.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

If I were only using my car for daily driving, I wouldn't get the intercooled version. I realize I'll get a lot of flack for my opinion, but I just don't think it's necessary for daily driving. The headaches and extra complexity that the intercooler adds, isn't worth it IMO.

I really think the non-intercooled version is perfectly fine for daily driving, where you aren't 100% throttle for 30min at a time (like you are on the track). I'd save the money and headache.

I'll wait for others to flame me now

This is partially true. Not completely...

Non-Intercooled on Pump Gas Response
The non-intercooled kit is good on the 75mm pulley but nothing smaller on standard pump gas. If you go with a smaller pulley the tune needs to pull out so much timing (due to the heat) that it basically makes it a gutless car and sort of pointless to drive. Because of this I am highly against offering tunes on non-intercooled kits with pulleys smaller then 75mm on standard pump gas.

Now if you are running E85 daily then that is a different story but usually people running E85 are doing so with FlexFuel and more than likely using a smaller pulley. If so I would then recommend still running the intercooler so as to have the ability to run standard pump gas with your smaller pulley. The intercooler helps a lot more than people may think. We did a LOT of testing with Innovate on it and found it to have more benefits then drawbacks.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Thanks Bill. Take your time, no rush from me.

For you maybe. Not for many other people...

William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

AM is pretty bad on my 8.51 tune also. I'm trying to be as patient as possible receiving an updated tune. I opened a ticket 1 week ago, and haven't received any updates yet. Hopefully 8.54 addresses these AM fluctuations.

I've been tempted to go back to my previous tune, which wasn't as smooth in the lower RPMs (and exhibited worse gas mileage), but my AM was rock solid at 1.

I'm really hoping to receive the tune this weekend

Thank you for being patient, along with everyone else. It has been a process moving into my new facility and getting setup along with getting all sorts of legal crap done. Trust me I do not enjoy it, plus tuning about 2-3 FRS/BRZ forced induction kits week and it is very draining but I am learning a lot every time and applying more updates to more vehicles.

Anyway the 8.54 should address most all the issues in the tune people are speaking about. There will be a new support hierarchy coming very soon.

Standard Intercooled Setups
- Standard Pump Fuels with 75mm pulleys
- FlexFuel or E85 with 75mm pulleys

Standard Non-Intercooled Setups
- Standard Pump Fuels with 75mm pulley
- FlexFuel or E85 with 75mm pulley

Custom Intercooler Setups
- Standard Pump Fuels with pulleys smaller then 75mm
- FlexFuel or E85 with pulleys smaller than 75mm

Custom Non-Intercooled Setups
- Standard Pump Fuels with pulleys smaller than 75mm
- FlexFuel or E85 with pulleys smaller than 75mm

Also please note I currently have been offering these standard updates and even custom updates at no charge to anyone. I spend a lot of time developing updates for everyone so we can enjoy these packages as if they were a stock vehicle, so please understand this take my time to do this and it is a fair amount of time to update a custom tune, usually about 30-60 minutes each, especially with major updates like this one.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning