0-60 mph - forget handling ability for 5.9 seconds

[Allch Chcar]

We've been debating handling for months and took a couple weeks off to debate 0-60mph times. Big deal.

It was at least interesting to note that midsize cars are in the 6's with 100 more HP than the twins. And minivans are not faster than midsize cars, they have the same engines in them.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Uh, no. If the car does 0-59 in 6.5 seconds, and 0-60 in 7 because it needs to shift, you'll get just as much of a "shove into your seat" as a car that does 0-60 in 2nd gear in 6.6 seconds. It's not the 0-60 time that matters, that depends on gearing. It's the acceleration in the lower gears that determines the "shove into your seat". 0-60 is not a good benchmark of how fast a car accelerates because gearing changes things a lot. I'd say 1/4 / 1/8 mile is marginally better, best is peak acceleration in each gear.

At higher speeds the acceleration is lower anyways, you probably need more power to get a real "shove into your seat" if I'm understanding you correctly.

I agree with what you're saying so I must be bumbling whatever statement I was trying to convey in the last post.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

We've been debating handling for months and took a couple weeks off to debate 0-60mph times. Big deal.

It was at least interesting to note that midsize cars are in the 6's with 100 more HP than the twins. And minivans are not faster than midsize cars, they have the same engines in them.

More like 60-70, but who's counting?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

More like 60-70, but who's counting?

0-62. That's as high as I'll go.

[bedabi]

Motor Trend's test numbers: http://wot.motortrend.com/tested-201...ph-183407.html

And a comparison chart:

Engine/Horsepower/Torque Fuel Economy Weight 0-60 MPH Quarter Mile 60-0 MPH Figure Eight

2011 Ford Mustang V-6 3.7L V-6/305-HP/280 lb-ft 19/29 mpg 3464 lb 5.1 sec 13.7 sec @102.0 mph 104 ft 25.8 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)

2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe 2.4L I-4/201-HP/170 lb-ft 22/31 mpg 2835 lb 6.5 sec 15.0 sec @ 92.3 mph 121 ft 26.4 sec @0.66 g (avg)

2012 Mazda MX-5 Miata Grand Touring 2.0L I-4/167-hp/140-lb-ft 21/28 mpg 2502 lb 6.3 sec 14.8 sec @ 92.4 mph 108 ft 26.4 sec @ 0.68 g (avg)

2013 Subaru BRZ 2.0L F-4/200-hp/151 lb-ft 22/30 mpg 2747 lb 6.4 sec 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph 120 ft 26.2 sec @ 0.68 g (avg)

2010 Volkswagen GTI* 2.0L turbocharged I-4/200-hp/207-lb-ft 24/32 mpg 3204 lb 5.8 sec 14.5 sec @ 96.7 mph 113 ft 26.5 sec @ 0.67 g (avg)

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by bedabi

Motor Trend's test numbers: http://wot.motortrend.com/tested-201...ph-183407.html

And a comparison chart:

Engine/Horsepower/Torque Fuel Economy Weight 0-60 MPH Quarter Mile 60-0 MPH Figure Eight

2011 Ford Mustang V-6 3.7L V-6/305-HP/280 lb-ft 19/29 mpg 3464 lb 5.1 sec 13.7 sec @102.0 mph 104 ft 25.8 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)

2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe 2.4L I-4/201-HP/170 lb-ft 22/31 mpg 2835 lb 6.5 sec 15.0 sec @ 92.3 mph 121 ft 26.4 sec @0.66 g (avg)

2012 Mazda MX-5 Miata Grand Touring 2.0L I-4/167-hp/140-lb-ft 21/28 mpg 2502 lb 6.3 sec 14.8 sec @ 92.4 mph 108 ft 26.4 sec @ 0.68 g (avg)

2013 Subaru BRZ 2.0L F-4/200-hp/151 lb-ft 22/30 mpg 2747 lb 6.4 sec 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph 120 ft 26.2 sec @ 0.68 g (avg)

2010 Volkswagen GTI* 2.0L turbocharged I-4/200-hp/207-lb-ft 24/32 mpg 3204 lb 5.8 sec 14.5 sec @ 96.7 mph 113 ft 26.5 sec @ 0.67 g (avg)

Thanks. Here is a screenshot of the chart to more easily follow.

[bedabi]

Despite the unimpressive numbers on paper, MT's own subjective review writes:

And the BRZ is undeniably superb. For the money, its grin-getting straight-line quickness, 22/30 mpg city/highway fuel economy (25/34 with the six-speed automatic), seemingly extrasensory chassis response, seven-airbag passive safety suite, and straightforward, aesthetically pleasing cabin -- offering nearly as much front headroom as the 4.4-inch-taller Honda Civic Si and enough cargo room with the rear seats folded to swallow a toolbox, a helmet, and a full set of wheels/tires -- make Subaru's most creative creation a force to be reckoned with. Sure, it's not the quickest car in its class and it has a few faults (cramped backseat, ho-hum 17-inch wheels, and the Scion will be cheaper). But for pure, unadulterated driving delight, the BRZ packs a knockout punch.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ed_first_test/

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by bedabi

Despite the unimpressive numbers on paper, MT's own subjective review writes...

Summary, what the designers said all along, better than the sum of its parts.

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by bedabi

Despite the unimpressive numbers on paper....

Unimpressive numbers? Im more than thrilled its better than the Honda Civic SI ... by a hair, but its BETTER! :happy0180:

[bedabi]

I should add that I'm not at all surprised by the "unimpressive" numbers. I hardly expected a 200 hp/151 lb-ft car to have great acceleration numbers. And I don't expect any car with Prius tires to score well in any handling/braking tests. (This begs the question, Which tires were on the Mustang? The 255/40R19 summer-only tires from the Performance Pack?) There's no doubt that for performance numbers, if that is important to you, the V6 Mustang is the best bang for your buck. At least for now.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by bedabi

(This begs the question, Which tires were on the Mustang? The 255/40R19 summer-only tires from the Performance Pack?)

Yes, max performance summer Pirellis.

[bedabi]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Yes, max performance summer Pirellis.

And that's why the "other" Mustang MT tested braked in the 120 ft range, same as the BRZ. A 16 ft difference.

The Miata Grand Touring has summer tires too.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by bedabi

And that's why the "other" Mustang MT tested braked in the 120 ft range, same as the BRZ. A 16 ft difference.

The Miata Grand Touring has summer tires too.

Just to get things clear, the BRZ has summer tires, but they're not max performance, they're touring.

[bedabi]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Just to get things clear, the BRZ has summer tires, but they're not max performance, they're touring.

I'm having trouble identifying the tire brand and name. Do you know it?