2015 FR-S Start of Production - May 7, 2014

[imag]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

More like, he wanted something current owner can update, instead of leaving them & getting screwed

Oh, come on. They announce an update where they thickened the flange on a couple of bolts and added paint colors. Then they say, "we were just trying to make sure that existing owners can 'upgrade'!" That's some pretty serious spin on what amounts to a tiny revision.

That said, they were probably right to do it this way. In all my time on various car boards, I have never seen such a petty bunch of owners. When other cars gets updated, most people on the boards celebrate. On here, everyone seems panicked that they would actually improve anything. I cannot believe that there are people on here wanting the car to fail and get canceled so they can feel special about theirs. It's crazy.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by imag

Oh, come on. They announce an update where they thickened the flange on a couple of bolts and added paint colors. Then they say, "we were just trying to make sure that existing owners can 'upgrade'!" That's some pretty serious spin on what amounts to a tiny revision.



That said, they were probably right to do it this way. In all my time on various car boards, I have never seen such a petty bunch of owners. When other cars gets updated, most people on the boards celebrate. On here, everyone seems panicked that they would actually improve anything. I cannot believe that there are people on here wanting the car to fail and get canceled so they can feel special about theirs. It's crazy.

I guess, you never around the S2k forum when they announced AP2. F'ck that was war zone lol


Sent from my mighty mind

[imag]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I guess, you never around the S2k forum when they announced AP2. F'ck that was war zone lol


Sent from my mighty mind

Funny. The AP1 was the better sports car.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

I don't want to buy it until it's reliable enough at the very least. I can't afford to have my car sitting at the dealership for weeks being repaired like many others on here have.

I agree, leaving the car at the dealership overnight is impossible for me and they have the nerve to say if your car doesn't have the idle problem you describe you have to pay $40. I'm used to getting a reental for warranty work. So I ordered a tatrix and need to figure out ecuflash just to get my car the latest factory calib. PITA

Originally Posted by imag

Funny. The AP1 was the better sports car.

So true many don't realize this.


As far as Tada saying they won't make major upgrades because owners will become disgruntled, that's obvious marketing bs if he really said it. Automakers exist to make money if a more powerful engine that meets all regs/requirements would spur a profit, believe me they would do it regardless if those of us with the FA20 would be sad.

[Boxer486]

So I don't get the idea of the revised suspension tuning being something current owners would do. I take it these aren't the Sach's dampers Toyota was testing are they? I know the wheels look like the prototype 18" BBS wheels they were using. Those had staggered tires if I recall too.

If these are the Sachs dampers then I could see the appeal. Otherwise people would just get coilovers or springs.

I really want these bolts ASAP, anyone have part#'s yet?

[AznKirby]

Originally Posted by imag

Funny. The AP1 was the better sports car.

Originally Posted by regal

So true many don't realize this.

A little side-tracked from the thread, but

I hope you're not saying that because of the higher revving engine.

[reni]

Originally Posted by AznKirby

A little side-tracked from the thread, but

I hope you're not saying that because of the higher revving engine.

they're saying it because it's the popular thing to say for internet racers

[AznKirby]

Originally Posted by reni

they're saying it because it's the popular thing to say for internet racers

I should've known

[imag]

Originally Posted by reni

they're saying it because it's the popular thing to say for internet racers

No, it's because I have one family member who has owned an AP1 from new, and one who owned an AP2. I have driven both on the track and on the same stretch of twisties, and I much prefer the AP1. Most enthusiasts prefer the AP1 because:

1. The S2K is all about the high revving motor. The car had the highest specific output of any naturally aspirated standard production car of its time. 8000 rpm is a lot less interesting. That motor opens its lungs up at 6K rpm, so the extra 1000 rpm of range really does make a difference in spirited driving.

2. The chassis tuning for the AP1 was better. They took it down a notch in the revision to give it "safe" understeer. That worsens the car, in my opinion.

What's with the nasty derisive comment, anyway? Why do people have to denigrate the opinions of others based on almost no information about them? Next time, if you disagree, you might try providing information supporting your point of view. Quit trying to ascribe motives to others; you are not much good at it.

[AznKirby]

A higher revving motor does not mean anything when that motor stop making power above a certain amount of RPMs.
The F22c1 had a lower redline, but made more power/torque than the F20c, better gear ratios, looks better (subjective). Also, I thought I read somewhere that the reason why they revised the engine was because people kept blowing it up.

I'm just saying - it's a popular thing to say that you prefer the AP1. I just never understood why.

[Guillaume]

Originally Posted by FiRStsc10n

I also saw in a 2015 BRZ thread that Ice Silver Metallic was announced.
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In addition from article ichitaka05 posted:

"June 2 was partially improved the "86". Improvements up to the improved ride comfort and handling stability"

New bolts are available for those already with vehicle to purchase. Approx cost 1000 yen. These bolts improve body rigidity.

"And this time for that specifically described by increasing the binding rigidity by thickening the flange portion of the bolt, the "adopted a method of controlling the body rigidity. Front suspension members, users get on well, have altered the. Bolts if you replace it if I have purchased Toyota parts Kyohan this bolt, which enables control of rigid body 86 of the "current of rear absorber This the mounting portion, a "feel able to be around 1000 yen after replacing all. ride changes clearly in a normal person. Also by "body rigidity is increased, suspension settings as well because you will need of course, was also improved shock absorber" (Google Translation)

Do we already have a part number available for these improved bits and pieces (bolts, but also shocks, etc.)?

[regal]

Originally Posted by AznKirby

A higher revving motor does not mean anything when that motor stop making power above a certain amount of RPMs.
The F22c1 had a lower redline, but made more power/torque than the F20c, better gear ratios, looks better (subjective). Also, I thought I read somewhere that the reason why they revised the engine was because people kept blowing it up.

I'm just saying - it's a popular thing to say that you prefer the AP1. I just never understood why.

But you're not getting it, in a sports car high reving is part of the definition. The AP1 set a bar that will never be brocen (except rotaries.) Its a mystique thing. Like a boxer rumble.


With no real talks of switching to DIT and the BMW collarbaration obviously in the forefront, you sort of get the feeling that 2015 may be it for the twins.


The chassis will probably resurface as a 4 door sedan at some point. But its it feels like Toyota has lost interest in the car. Maybe the Germans told them to back off or else, as a DIT twin will destroy a Cayman

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Pretty lame:

http://pressroom.scion.com/releases/...ase+series.htm

This car was supposed to be for true sports car fans. Instead, the "upgrades" are built for posers. Four exhaust tips (for 200 horsepower!) and the body kit weigh the car down more than they add speed. I'm sorry, but it's BS.

[imag]

Originally Posted by regal

With no real talks of switching to DIT and the BMW collarbaration obviously in the forefront, you sort of get the feeling that 2015 may be it for the twins.

I will give 100:1 odds that that is not true. There is no reason for them to discontinue it. They will do a refresh at 3 years for 2016, and I have no doubt that it will add at least some power. I expect that they will also do an "R1" style package in the last years.

I was just hoping that they would realize that a real special edition would sell now. A vain hope, as it turned out.