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[Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

And European cars tend to favor driving excitement over comfort....hmm
And they still get manual transmissions.......hmmm....

NORTH AMERICA Y U ONLY CARE ABOUT STRAIGHT LINE SPEED???

Fixed.

This is understandable. Numbers are much easier to interpret compared to driving excitement, which is much more difficult to explain on paper until the driver experiences it for himself/herself.

[S2kphile]

Originally Posted by Kiwi

This is understandable. Numbers are much easier to interpret compared to driving excitement, which is much more difficult to explain on paper until the driver experiences it for himself/herself.

BINGO. Also, fixed gotta include the females since they love emotional experiences and this car will definitively give them that.

[Kiwi]

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Correct.
Fixed original post.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by jor8888

7.7 sec is like Kate Upton with flat chest, cant get excited need more boost.

No way this car is that slow. They did not test it. They said.."Toyota claims a fairly modest 0-62mph time of 7.7sec with a top speed of just 137mph."

Toyota says otherwise...Toyota says 6.9 secs 0 to 62 MPH

[Embarrassed]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

If you follow the British car press you'll see that they place far less emphasis on raw acceleration in their reviews. And because of gasoline prices and tax policies far fewer folks over there can afford vehicles with massive horsepower; many vehicles that we also get here come with lower hp engine options over there that are taken up my most buyers (eg Miata, BMW 1 series). So 200hp looks pretty acceptable to them.

QFT This car looks pleasantly quick when most everything on the road is a sub 2.0 diesel. Not so good when it gets outrun by a huge number of family haulers.

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[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by lpnnlp

This. Plus....

<rant>

As a European expat who has lived in So Cal for 20+ years, I would like to add my observation that the daily lives of many Americans, at least those that I see in SoCal, is one of routines consisting of driving the kids around, driving to work, doing the rounds at Costco, paying bills, eating a lot, shitting a lot, and maybe fuck a little. Rinse and repeat.

There are very few holidays and really no such thing as downtime in this country. Somebody is always working somewhere, and when there is downtime, the unease of just relaxing is so unbearable that Americans need to go and shop for something...

The only way to tolerate this drab existence for these people is to become numb. Numb to their own feelings.... how they hate being shafted and exploited by their asshole bosses.... how they are being played by the political class and they end up voting for the same crap every four years... how the government pays itself first from their miserable paychecks... how the church is completely and utterly full of shit.. how their parents mistreated them growing up... and hey, let's not forget the thankless children...

So these numb people live low volume and low voltage numb and drab lives. But that is not living and they know it... They want to feel, but they have been numb so long... with so much anger pent up that they look for the slightest excuse to SNAP, so they can finally feel so strongly about something that it makes them feel alive... it reminds them that they are human. They spend so much time in the car that the only way to express anger is to smoke the other car on the freeway on-ramp... So of course you need a lot of horsepower. You also need sweets that are so god damn sweet that you get an instant tooth ache. Refined foods loaded with salt and fat in portions bigger and bigger just so they feel full for a little while. And lets not forget porn... which is now as hard and heavy as they can make it.

And all this for what? Just to excite them enough to pass the threshold of numbness. Most of these people have neither the sensory or emotional acuity to enjoy a car like the BRZ/FRS and that's a real shame.

</rant>

Hmm, that sounds pretty accurate actually. LOL

I may be American but I'm more Japanese at heart. It's annoying how most car people I talk to around here are only interested in more horsepower and drag racing.

[86fanatic]

I've got to agree with the rant. Amazing how many people on this forum are so obsessed with a 0-60 time they can't see that a car that handles and feels better than a Cayman isn't worth 25. I have my doubts whether this car can be successful here because it won't be smoking anyone on the on ramps, but I will buy mine while I have my chance.

Somewhat related but looking at American motor sports in general it also gives off a pretty depressing vibe. Dominated by drag strips, straight line racing, NASCAR left turns and high speed ovals. Pretty much the dullest of the dull in my opinion. So sad that you are more likely to live close to a drag strip then an actual proper road course which has more then left turns. In fact you can probably count the total number of high speed non-oval road courses in the whole country on one hand.

/Rant

[zoomzoomers]

:word

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

I've got to agree with the rant. Amazing how many people on this forum are so obsessed with a 0-60 time they can't see that a car that handles and feels better than a Cayman isn't worth 25. I have my doubts whether this car can be successful here because it won't be smoking anyone on the on ramps, but I will buy mine while I have my chance.

Somewhat related but looking at American motor sports in general it also gives off a pretty depressing vibe. Dominated by drag strips, straight line racing, NASCAR left turns and high speed ovals. Pretty much the dullest of the dull in my opinion. So sad that you are more likely to live close to a drag strip then an actual proper road course which has more then left turns. In fact you can probably count the total number of high speed non-oval road courses in the whole country on one hand.

/Rant

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

I've got to agree with the rant. Amazing how many people on this forum are so obsessed with a 0-60 time they can't see that a car that handles and feels better than a Cayman isn't worth 25. I have my doubts whether this car can be successful here because it won't be smoking anyone on the on ramps, but I will buy mine while I have my chance.

Somewhat related but looking at American motor sports in general it also gives off a pretty depressing vibe. Dominated by drag strips, straight line racing, NASCAR left turns and high speed ovals. Pretty much the dullest of the dull in my opinion. So sad that you are more likely to live close to a drag strip then an actual proper road course which has more then left turns. In fact you can probably count the total number of high speed non-oval road courses in the whole country on one hand.

/Rant

NO you couldn't. Nor could you count them on all your appendages even with your shoes off. You would be surprised how many quality road couses there are in this country. Have you taken the time to go to an SCCA club race? A NASA race? Grand Am? Petit Le Mans? There are dozens of world class road courses in American and hundreds of lesser tracks around the country.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

I've got to agree with the rant. Amazing how many people on this forum are so obsessed with a 0-60 time they can't see that a car that handles and feels better than a Cayman isn't worth 25. I have my doubts whether this car can be successful here because it won't be smoking anyone on the on ramps, but I will buy mine while I have my chance.

Somewhat related but looking at American motor sports in general it also gives off a pretty depressing vibe. Dominated by drag strips, straight line racing, NASCAR left turns and high speed ovals. Pretty much the dullest of the dull in my opinion. So sad that you are more likely to live close to a drag strip then an actual proper road course which has more then left turns. In fact you can probably count the total number of high speed non-oval road courses in the whole country on one hand.

/Rant

This part I highly doubt. I believe they are saying it more for hype purposes.

[Lasse]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

This part I highly doubt. I believe they are saying it more for hype purposes.

Why hype up product which isn't their own???

I sincerely believe that this car outhandles it's competitors by wide margin (close call for MX5/Miata) in prize category under 50 thousand $$. Of course Cayman is wayyy more... But it is very nice to know that GT86 get close to abilities what you can find in Cayman!

[Guff]

The way I see it, the people who are skeptics about this car shouldn't buy it. The people who feel like affordable "Pure Handling Delight" is something that they have been yearning for over the last decade should absolutely buy it.


It costs less than an average car, but is much, much, more than an average car....

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Rampage

NO you couldn't. Nor could you count them on all your appendages even with your shoes off. You would be surprised how many quality road couses there are in this country. Have you taken the time to go to an SCCA club race? A NASA race? Grand Am? Petit Le Mans? There are dozens of world class road courses in American and hundreds of lesser tracks around the country.

I agree - the problem is a lot of folks don't know about these locations because outlets like SPEED don't carry events at most of them (except maybe 6 months after the event at 3 am some weeknight). SPEED has even dropped ALMS coverage now for chrissake! The only sports car series they properly cover now is the Rolex Grand Am.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Lasse

Why hype up product which isn't their own???

I sincerely believe that this car outhandles it's competitors by wide margin (close call for MX5/Miata) in prize category under 50 thousand $$. Of course Cayman is wayyy more... But it is very nice to know that GT86 get close to abilities what you can find in Cayman!

Every critic initially hypes a car up. I remember when a long list of other cars drop critics had great things to say then when the hype died months later it wasn't all that special to them afterwards. I take their reviews with a grain of salt whether it's cars, movies or anything. I am my favorite critic.