This car is nuts!!! 200 hp?!? No way.

[Ashybone]

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Originally Posted by Jen

...My husband said...

Well I'm glad you had a good time with our Babies. Once you get into going sideways you'll forget all about the land yatchs that you were used to. I don't know about Central PA but take the FR-S to some of the rocky twisty area's new york has and roll with the VCU sport mode on. It'll change your life.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Jen

I don't know if I can deal with the clutch on this, that's the main issue. It's this or the Camaro, which was way more boring but easier for me to drive since the shifting was more straight forward. That and premium vs regular gas (I commute 122 miles per day).
Rumor has it that there might be a new 3000gt coming out so I might wait for that (one of my all time favorite cars, I like F body looking cars like the '80's camaros/trans ams, corvettes, etc)

Half the fun of having a different vehicle is getting used to it's quirks. I have a hard time believing the clutch will be a dealbreaker after you play with it for a bit. It's not bad, just different.

If you commute 122 miles per day, the FRS gets lets say 27 mpg (my average economy commuting stop&go) and the Camaro 20 mpg that's 4.5 gallons vs. 6.1 gallons respectively, if the difference in the price of gas is 20 cents more for the premium you'd save about $5 per commute with the FRS using premium gas. If it's 30 cents more expensive for premium you'd still save >$4 using premium on the FRS.

Seems like a nobrainer to me...

http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/camaro/gas%20v6
http://www.fuelly.com/car/scion/fr-s

Edit: I was using $3.90-$3.80 for regular, $4.10 for premium, as the prices go up so do your savings, as they go down so do your savings. Premium gas would have to be around $1.20 with regular at $0.90 per gallon for the Camaro to be cheaper to fuel using the numbers I assumed.

Edit 2: Waiting around for a car might be ok if you've got something you enjoy to pass the time with, otherwise why wait for an unknown? The Mustang was supposed to be up to 400 lbs lighter next year, instead it's gaining weight. The next MX5/Alfa Spyder has been slated to unveil "next year" for nearly five years now. If the a new sports car gets announced tomorrow the soonest it will hit showroom floors is likely 6 months away, usually a whole year or more. It's not like buying this car now will make it impossible to have the next hot thing, but who knows if it's even worth it? Why drive boring?

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Jen

I don't know if I can deal with the clutch on this, that's the main issue. It's this or the Camaro, which was way more boring but easier for me to drive since the shifting was more straight forward. That and premium vs regular gas (I commute 122 miles per day).

Sure, the FR-S/BRZ take premium gas instead of the Camaro's regular, but that's more than made up for by the fact that the FR-S/BRZ gets easily 5-10mpg more when driven the same way. Cost per mile is going to be significantly less for the FR-S than it is for the Camaro.

For example, looking on Fuelly, it looks like the recent model year V6 Camaros with a manual get around 22(ish) miles per gallon, while the BRZs and FRSs are averaging around 27-28. Obviously, both of these will depend on how you drive the car, but I'll use these as representative values. If regular gas is $3.25/gallon, and premium is $4.00/gallon, this means the Camaro would cost 14.8 cents per mile in gas, while the FR-S would cost 14.3 cents per mile. In reality, the spread from regular to premium is usually smaller than this, so the cost would come out even more in favor of the FR-S.

EDIT: looks like strat61 did the math at the same time as I was doing it, and got done a bit faster...

[J_kennington]

All I'm sayin is, if I hold the gas pedal to the floor 98% of the time(other 2% would be red lights). The on board computer tells me I'm gettin 25.5mpg. I HAD to test it when I first got the car lol. I average 27mpg driving through bumper to bumper traffic coming and going to downtown Atlanta every day for work.

[Braces]

Jen .... welcome. I also came from a prius. Great on gas, but the car lulls you into hypermiling which can make your commute braindead. Now I use the FR-S as my DD. It is a manual and I average 30mpg freeway driving. The FR-S lulls you into having FUN everywhere. I find myself zipping around corners like an F1 driver. Makes the commute bearable. Light-weight gocart.

[Silver Ignition]

Originally Posted by Braces

The FR-S lulls you into having FUN everywhere. I find myself zipping around corners like an F1 driver. Makes the commute bearable.

I second this. I actually look forward to burning fuel now. I equate it a lot to riding a motorcycle; you end up taking the long way/twisty way home and find any excuse possible to leave the house.
I also apex every corner as if I'm in Monaco, sir, so I know how you feel.

[White0utFrs]

Man some people don't see the big picture lol
Anyways I'll try to leave a somewhat useful comment.

I too tested out a mustang and Camaro when deciding. I had a gli before to it was a bit quicker off the line than this car.

The American cars definitely are quicker in a line, but not as fun on turns. I've always liked the look of the challenger, but it's just too big for my taste.

In the end yeah this car sometimes feels a bit faster than it really is. Hella fun to drive in turns.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by J_kennington

All I'm sayin is, if I hold the gas pedal to the floor 98% of the time(other 2% would be red lights). The on board computer tells me I'm gettin 25.5mpg. I HAD to test it when I first got the car lol. I average 27mpg driving through bumper to bumper traffic coming and going to downtown Atlanta every day for work.

No it doesn't. You're either lying or are on the cars lifetime avg mpg reading, not the real time mpg. You have to hold down the button to reset the lifetime avg mpg. As someone who has hypermiled the FRS over a 600 mile trip and got 39mpg, and also runs it WOT quite frequently around the city, the real time reading will never show 25mpg at full throttle. That's just total BS.

[White0utFrs]

On the mpg argument. I drove to San Fran from so cal in cruise control most of the way at 75 and got 32mpg.

Combined weekly I average 26-28. I don't granny it the car, but I also don't go racing off every light. Mpg is what is should be for a small car without turbo

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

No it doesn't. You're either lying or are on the cars lifetime avg mpg reading, not the real time mpg. You have to hold down the button to reset the lifetime avg mpg. As someone who has hypermiled the FRS over a 600 mile trip and got 39mpg, and also runs it WOT quite frequently around the city, the real time reading will never show 25mpg at full throttle. That's just total BS.

At no point did he claim to be looking at the real time mpg reading.

[J_kennington]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

No it doesn't. You're either lying or are on the cars lifetime avg mpg reading, not the real time mpg. You have to hold down the button to reset the lifetime avg mpg. As someone who has hypermiled the FRS over a 600 mile trip and got 39mpg, and also runs it WOT quite frequently around the city, the real time reading will never show 25mpg at full throttle. That's just total BS.

Pretty sure we were talking about average... I'm well aware of how to reset the counters as well. Do you think I was talking about the "real time" when I mentioned sitting at red lights? Here I'll rephrase for you since you called me a liar.

"If I drive flat foot, throughout 3 tanks of fuel, the AVERAGE mpg listed on the on board computer shows 25.5mpg to the 3 tanks."

Make more sense now?

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by J_kennington

Pretty sure we were talking about average... I'm well aware of how to reset the counters as well. Do you think I was talking about the "real time" when I mentioned sitting at red lights? Here I'll rephrase for you since you called me a liar.

"If I drive flat foot, throughout 3 tanks of fuel, the AVERAGE mpg listed on the on board computer shows 25.5mpg to the 3 tanks."

Make more sense now?

No not really.

So you are saying after about 700 miles your avg mpg dropped to 25.5 from whatever it was? If that's the case, how is that relevant to anything?

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

At no point did he claim to be looking at the real time mpg reading.

I know, that was my point. The only way his avg mpg could read 25.5 is if he or someone else is not driving WOT 98% of the time and also using the lifetime avg of the car. Unless he is using a subspace field, that is physically impossible.

Saying "if I hold the gas pedal to the floor 98% of the time(other 2% would be red lights). The on board computer tells me I'm gettin 25.5mpg" implies a real time reading to me. I can understand if the sentence was poorly constructed. Either way it makes no sense. Sitting at a stop light the other 2% makes your mpg worse than driving WOT. Whether average or real time, you cannot drive WOT 98% of the time and sit at idle 2% of the time through 3 or 3 million tanks of gas and get 25.5mpg.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Ashybone

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Well I'm glad you had a good time with our Babies. Once you get into going sideways you'll forget all about the land yatchs that you were used to. I don't know about Central PA but take the FR-S to some of the rocky twisty area's new york has and roll with the VCU sport mode on. It'll change your life.

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