WTF is up with all the salvaged cars?!

[Model Citizen]

The backside of that torque dip is like vtec kicking in yo.

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

well, yeah, everyone wants to say that. everyone wants to come on the forum and say "I'm a great driver, it takes skill to drive this car, everyone else sucks and they all total it"

which is exactly what everyone in this thread has said.

I do think people get a little over-confident in their driving abilities because this car lulls you into thinking you are a better driver than you actually are.

There is a reason that a BRZ/FR-S is more expensive to insure than a V6 270 HP Camry.

Insurance companies evaluate rates based on percentages...

It can't just be the ass end looks so great that people just get distracted by it and wanna ram it from behind (sorry Missy...I had to)

[Chattanooga FR-S]

Originally Posted by Atropine

It can't just be the ass end looks so great that people just get distracted by it and wanna ram it from behind (sorry Missy...I had to)

Yeah, I'd hit that... <CRUNCH>

[stugray]

I think the nannies are somewhat to blame.

Without the nannies, you learn to approach the limits of the vehicle and it misbehaves gradually as you learn the feel of the car.

Now the nannies keep you in check (sometimes without the driver even knowing they were at the limit) when you should have been learning something from the car.

Then when you exceed what the nannies are capable of recovering from it cuts loose with a vengance.
So I blame the computer assists for why so many of these get totaled.

[Priapus]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

well, yeah, everyone wants to say that. everyone wants to come on the forum and say "I'm a great driver, it takes skill to drive this car, everyone else sucks and they all total it"

which is exactly what everyone in this thread has said.

Not what I said at all. If the car went too fast into a corner, crashed, and totalled itself without anyone in the drivers seat, then it's the car's fault and it doesnt have anything to do with the driver.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by stugray

I think the nannies are somewhat to blame.

Without the nannies, you learn to approach the limits of the vehicle and it misbehaves gradually as you learn the feel of the car.

Now the nannies keep you in check (sometimes without the driver even knowing they were at the limit) when you should have been learning something from the car.

Then when you exceed what the nannies are capable of recovering from it cuts loose with a vengance.
So I blame the computer assists for why so many of these get totaled.

Maybe, to some degree I understand how they can inspire overconfidence. But I'll call bullshit if any driver is being a **** on the road, crashed, and then tries to blame the aids. No, it's not the driving aids' fault. It's the driver at fault. The driving aids didn't crash the car, the driver did. In fact if they had just left that computer-assisted shit on, they may not have crashed at all! I can't think of a good reason to turn it off on public roads with exception to a situation where it's preventing you from gaining traction, like if you need to get unstuck from mud, snow, something.. If someone is trying to push the limits of their vehicle on the road, there's a good chance they're being a huge douche. I enjoy spirited drives as much as the rest of us, but part of maturing includes not overestimating the ability of the vehicle and driving well below my confidence level while on public roads.

[Trac Toy]

Originally Posted by Missy

With no insurance!!!! I'm a tad bitter..

Only a little bit though, by the sounds of it. Lol...

Thats the worst part, it's not always you, it's the other guy!

[stugray]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

But I'll call bullshit if any driver is being a **** on the road, crashed, and then tries to blame the aids. .

I guess you didnt read my experience where the VSC kicked on with it disabled and spun me into oncoming traffic? Yes it was in the snow, but I tried to recover from a trivial wheel slip when the VSC cut power and applied the wrong brakes for the situation and induced snap in oversteer which spun the car the opposite direction. So Bullshit all you like...

AND you missed the point. WHat I was saying is that for a new driver, depending on the nannies is just fine until you start pushing the limits all the time because you never knew you were at the limit.

Without the nannies, you gradually learn how the car handles as it is losing grip. With the assists, you never get the feel of having to recover until it is not possible to recover.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

conspiracy: car companies deliberately making cars that are much more easy to total in light of being "safer"

well, they are safer

more crumple zones means less force on the driver, the car is a throw away but your health is better off

try getting into a car accident in a caged car... your internals are gonna take a beating

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by stugray

I guess you didnt read my experience where the VSC kicked on with it disabled and spun me into oncoming traffic? Yes it was in the snow, but I tried to recover from a trivial wheel slip when the VSC cut power and applied the wrong brakes for the situation and induced snap in oversteer which spun the car the opposite direction. So Bullshit all you like...

AND you missed the point. WHat I was saying is that for a new driver, depending on the nannies is just fine until you start pushing the limits all the time because you never knew you were at the limit.

Without the nannies, you gradually learn how the car handles as it is losing grip. With the assists, you never get the feel of having to recover until it is not possible to recover.

I'm not sure you read what I wrote. Unless you're saying you were driving like a **** and almost crashed?

And no, I didn't miss the point. People shouldn't be anywhere near limits when they're on a public road, period. If conditions dictate that you change your driving to compensate, then it should be done.

edit: Did it kick in after you did the pedal dance, or just pressing the button?

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by sklimo

It's people driving on stocks in winter or rain. And they think 154hp stock to wheel won't kill you

Wait what... I have 167 and I drive in the rain on stocks...

[sklimo]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Wait what... I have 167 and I drive in the rain on stocks...

You drive like an old blind man, you don't count lol

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

I'm not sure you read what I wrote. Unless you're saying you were driving like a **** and almost crashed?

And no, I didn't miss the point. People shouldn't be anywhere near limits when they're on a public road, period. If conditions dictate that you change your driving to compensate, then it should be done.

edit: Did it kick in after you did the pedal dance, or just pressing the button?

I've had the nannies kick in even when I deactivated them through the 5 second press... scary shit to be honest when I don't expect the car to just die out doing a tight U turn where I only have a few seconds of gap since visibility sucks.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

People shouldn't be anywhere near limits when they're on a public road, period. If conditions dictate that you change your driving to compensate, then it should be done.

I was saying that if you are a new driver and (possiblY) have never driven a RWD car before, then you might not understand that you are overdriving the car becasue the nannies are keeping you in check.

I constantly notice when I lean on the throttle too hard on say a left turn and I feel the TC cut my throttle.
An inexperienced driver might not know that the TC kicked in and assume they were driving just fine.
This could lead people to constantly drive at the limits without realizing it.

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Did it kick in after you did the pedal dance, or just pressing the button?

Just the buttons - so I know it just lowers the car's intervention threshold.
If I had left them ON or done the pedal dance, it probably would not have happened.