2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[NERO]

I for one am glad that there are so many people that are bitching about the price. If its such an issue for you, why are you still on here? Your hoping that Toyota/Scion will hear your complaints and change the price. You know that the car is actually worth the price and your just pissed off that you'll have to pay $40 more per month than you wanted to.

Then you have the other people that are pissed that they launched the car as a Scion claiming it is a shitty company. Really, we're going to go there? Scion is no different than Toyota. Same Quality, Reliability, and Durabiltiy. If you think otherwise you have no experience with them.

Please be my guest and buy something else. When you finally realize that the heavier GC or Mustang wasn't all that you thought it would be you can sell it and buy the next great thing. Take it from someone who has seat time behind both. In the meantime, we'll buy one, enjoy modifying and driving them.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

Boosted FRS = intercooler, intercooler piping, turbo, bigger tires/wheels, bigger brakes, firmer suspension/sway bars/struct bars/additional plumbing. All so you can go about a second faster to 60, and wear out all the parts faster, increase maintenance intervals, and in the process most likely shorten the life of your engine. Not to mention, most of the weight gain will be in the front, so you are making a 53/47 car even more front biased which will cause a negative impact to handling.

Honestly don't understand the appeal.

When I added a turbo to my car, I went 3+sec faster in the 1/4 mile. It's just an acceptable risk we take in the pursuit of making something our own.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Tbxgz

Is that not the 6AT that has taller gearing than the 6MT?

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Is that not the 6AT that has taller gearing than the 6MT?

No, the screen shot was taken from the video on the front page - which is clearly a 6MT.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by NERO

Then you have the other people that are pissed that they launched the car as a Scion claiming it is a shitty company. Really, we're going to go there? Scion is no different than Toyota. Same Quality, Reliability, and Durabiltiy. If you think otherwise you have no experience with them.

Scion is not the same as toyota. Just ask toyota. They specifically created the scion brand to sell less expensive cars to a less mature (read younger) crowd. Back when they started the brand they stated that the target demographic for a scion was 10 years younger than toyota.

The parts may be same the same, but the branding isn't. When a 40 yr old man tells someone he drives a scion there is going to be a different mental image going through that persons mind than if he had said a toyota. When people think of Scion as a brand they think of funky paint jobs and erector set spoilers because that is what Scion wants you to think about their brand.

Same reason that GM gave up on the geo brand and started selling the same cars as chevy models. Geo had a bad brand image (cheap).

Most people, if given the choice for the exact same car at the exact same price as a scion, toyota, or a lexus would choose the lexus. Brand image is very important from a marketing standpoint and does matter to a lot of people.

From what I have read on this forum, a lot of the people who are unhappy about the car being a scion are unhappy because of what scion is, not because they think the car will somehow contain inferior parts or have less reliability.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

When a 40 yr old man tells someone he drives a scion there is going to be a different mental image going through that persons mind than if he had said a toyota. When people think of Scion as a brand they think of funky paint jobs and erector set spoilers because that is what Scion wants you to think about their brand.

Same reason that GM gave up on the geo brand and started selling the same cars as chevy models. Geo had a bad brand image (cheap).
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I guess that's where I have an advantage.

I could care less what someone thinks about the brand of car I drive. I've owned a Geo Prism, saved me 5K over the same Toyota. That's the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lexus or an Infiniti (at least in the early model years).

Of course, I also buy generic products when they are available and the same quality, and think its ridiculous to pay $200 for a pair of jeans that are materially the same as the $25 pair of Levis just because of a label.

Hey, but its OK if that is what makes the difference for you. Just don't assume everyone else cares, or feels the same way you do.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I guess that's where I have an advantage.

I could care less what someone thinks about the brand of car I drive. I've owned a Geo Prism, saved me 5K over the same Toyota. That's the same reason I wouldn't buy a Lexus or an Infiniti (at least in the early model years).

Of course, I also buy generic products when they are available and the same quality, and think its ridiculous to pay $200 for a pair of jeans that are materially the same as the $25 pair of Levis just because of a label.

Hey, but its OK if that is what makes the difference for you. Just don't assume everyone else cares, or feels the same way you do.

I don't particularly care either. I'm looking at a BRZ for the features not the brand, but as I mentioned in my post, the reasons I listed are what I have seen for people complaining about the scion and not reliability or durability issues related to the car.

[Revird]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

No, the screen shot was taken from the video on the front page - which is clearly a 6MT.

But doesn't the LCD indicate 2nd gear, therefore it's auto?

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by Revird

But doesn't the LCD indicate 2nd gear, therefore it's auto?

No, the LCD indicator exists in both manual and auto. In Auto it would have a "D" or an "M" indicating either manual or auto driving mode. This indicator has none, meaning it's a 6MT.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

No, the LCD indicator exists in both manual and auto. In Auto it would have a "D" or an "M" indicating either manual or auto driving mode. This indicator has none, meaning it's a 6MT.

Is that still the case if you put the 6AT into manual mode?

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Is that still the case if you put the 6AT into manual mode?

That would show "M" to the left of the gear number indicator.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

Scion is not the same as toyota. Just ask toyota. They specifically created the scion brand to sell less expensive cars to a less mature (read younger) crowd. Back when they started the brand they stated that the target demographic for a scion was 10 years younger than toyota.

The parts may be same the same, but the branding isn't. When a 40 yr old man tells someone he drives a scion there is going to be a different mental image going through that persons mind than if he had said a toyota. When people think of Scion as a brand they think of funky paint jobs and erector set spoilers because that is what Scion wants you to think about their brand.

Same reason that GM gave up on the geo brand and started selling the same cars as chevy models. Geo had a bad brand image (cheap).

Most people, if given the choice for the exact same car at the exact same price as a scion, toyota, or a lexus would choose the lexus. Brand image is very important from a marketing standpoint and does matter to a lot of people.

From what I have read on this forum, a lot of the people who are unhappy about the car being a scion are unhappy because of what scion is, not because they think the car will somehow contain inferior parts or have less reliability.

Obviously you haven't seen the amount of old folks that drive Scions. p.s. way to tell Toyota what they created scion for. Last I recalled, it was created to bring younger buyers to the Toyota family. That's not the same thing that you are describing.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

That would show "M" to the left of the gear number indicator.

Still wouldn't show what gear you were in when in "manual" mode?

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by Matador

Obviously you haven't seen the amount of old folks that drive Scions. p.s. way to tell Toyota what they created scion for. Last I recalled, it was created to bring younger buyers to the Toyota family. That's not the same thing that you are describing.

it doesn't really matter how many old folks drive scions, the fact is they created the brand to sell cars to a younger audience as I stated and you confirmed. It's also a fact that younger buyers purchase less expensive cars compared to buyers in their 30s to 50s. Whether you like it or not people view scion as an entry level brand, which shouldn't be a surprise since up until this car every model they offered was an entry level vehicle. Even this car is being referred to as an entry level sports car.

btw, I didn't tell Toyota why they created, I reiterated what Toyota said they created the brand for, albeit using different words.