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[Poodles]

Originally Posted by regal

Where did I say the OEM bearings are weak? I said they are the weak point. Every engine has a weak point you f'n moron. Several have thrown rod bearings going high hp its well documented in this site.


Next year when a nice beefy after market bearing comes out people will question their builds, its early dude. It ain't all figured out. This isn't cookie cutter Honda stuff.


This platform is still new and built engines are not for the G-D masses, you need to find better things to that making up lies and mis-reading my posts just because I don't kiss your A$$.

Apparently you know little to nothing about engines. "Better" bearings aren't going to do crap, detonation from a crap tune beats the crap out of the bearings and will cause engine failure. Might want to learn what a hydrostatic bearing is before you keep spouting that they're weak (hint: the "bearings" in a motor are SHIMS not actual bearings).


Just because it's a new motor doesn't mean it's not still a normal piston driven internal combustion engine. All the same tricks and issues are the same, and people still pop engines because of shit tuning.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Apparently you know little to nothing about engines. "Better" bearings aren't going to do crap, detonation from a crap tune beats the crap out of the bearings and will cause engine failure. Might want to learn what a hydrostatic bearing is before you keep spouting that they're weak (hint: the "bearings" in a motor are SHIMS not actual bearings).


Just because it's a new motor doesn't mean it's not still a normal piston driven internal combustion engine. All the same tricks and issues are the same, and people still pop engines because of shit tuning.

Yea they are roller bearing, lol. They are skinny, the rod is bent. That puts stress different than traditional boxers with straight rods in relation to the ignition. At extreme HP levels slight detonation and there have been issues reported. When you get over 400 hp it doesn't take shit tuning for the weak point to give. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with the design. But these bearings are designed for light weight oil, fuel efficiency and daily driving. The tuning has to be spot on everywhere for success, not impossible but not something everyone can do .


They may look like a shim but under oil pressure a hydrostatic bearing is a bearing the oil is not only a lubricant but part of the bearing composite, same principle as an air bearing in turbines.


This shouldn't be news to anyone it has been known that the rods/bearings are the engine weak (oh god I said it again don't cry) point.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=64




http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...k+rod+bearings


I'll wager that when better bearing show up on the after market we will see some really wicked numbers. 'course you'll need a complete new drivetrain but this car will probably be the supra of our time (years go by and limits become unbelieveable.)

[regal]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

being a mail ordered block has nothing to do with it failing due to a bad tune, so I don't know how you got to the conclusion that mail ordered short blocks are a problem...



What's embarrassing about it? Theres a tuner here that got 410WHP out of a completely stock engine, but it broke 4th gear on the dyno so they backed it off.

Sorry I did not see your post. The issue is if you live in bum fuck Egypt and buy a 500hp short block your odds of finding a tuner who knows how to handle this without destroying your beautiful shortblock are slim to none and stupid risky.






The video is an embarrassment to the community IMHO, the tune is so rough just read his comments. This car's benchmark was a Porsche not something that stalls and coughs and chokes. A tune needs to be refined.
There have been several jabs at that video throughout the internet auto community.


And you just touch the surface on why a built block is overkill with mentioning 4th gear broke.


One day they will be a formula for 500+HP with a new drivetrain (tranny, LSD, Axels, brakes) but we are years away. We are a lot like 1990 240SX owners in 1990. The potential is there and one day come to fruition, but its a ways off.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by regal

Sorry I did not see your post. The issue is if you live in bum fuck Egypt and buy a 500hp short block your odds of finding a tuner who knows how to handle this without destroying your beautiful shortblock are slim to none and stupid risky.






The video is an embarrassment to the community IMHO, the tune is so rough just read his comments. This car's benchmark was a Porsche not something that stalls and coughs and chokes. A tune needs to be refined.
There have been several jabs at that video throughout the internet auto community.


And you just touch the surface on why a built block is overkill with mentioning 4th gear broke.


One day they will be a formula for 500+HP with a new drivetrain (tranny, LSD, Axels, brakes) but we are years away. We are a lot like 1990 240SX owners in 1990. The potential is there and one day come to fruition, but its a ways off.

4th gear was involved in over 1000 miles of dyno pull

[woode]

Originally Posted by regal

Sorry I did not see your post. The issue is if you live in bum fuck Egypt and buy a 500hp short block your odds of finding a tuner who knows how to handle this without destroying your beautiful shortblock are slim to none and stupid risky.






The video is an embarrassment to the community IMHO, the tune is so rough just read his comments. This car's benchmark was a Porsche not something that stalls and coughs and chokes. A tune needs to be refined.
There have been several jabs at that video throughout the internet auto community.


And you just touch the surface on why a built block is overkill with mentioning 4th gear broke.


One day they will be a formula for 500+HP with a new drivetrain (tranny, LSD, Axels, brakes) but we are years away. We are a lot like 1990 240SX owners in 1990. The potential is there and one day come to fruition, but its a ways off.

Well good thing most of us aren't in Egypt and aren't buying short blocks that produce 500hp. Last I checked a short block doesn't produce any power.. it's just a few of the components that handle the stress of power. You could tune a built short block to make 200hp if you wanted to.

There are already transmission, LSD, axles, brakes all out there. I really don't get what you are getting at, aside from speaking in generalities trying to make it seem like this platform is worthless right now.

This is how progress and development happen. People push the limits. People dyno test stuff, track test stuff, and yes even break stuff.

Obviously with time will come even more refined products from even more manufacturers, but why should people not build these motors now?

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by woode

Well good thing most of us aren't in Egypt and aren't buying short blocks that produce 500hp. Last I checked a short block doesn't produce any power.. it's just a few of the components that handle the stress of power. You could tune a built short block to make 200hp if you wanted to.

There are already transmission, LSD, axles, brakes all out there. I really don't get what you are getting at, aside from speaking in generalities trying to make it seem like this platform is worthless right now.

This is how progress and development happen. People push the limits. People dyno test stuff, track test stuff, and yes even break stuff.

Obviously with time will come even more refined products from even more manufacturers, but why should people not build these motors now?

In the grand scheme of things, this platform is far ahead of its time. In less than 2 years we have everything from 9s cars to 200hp corner killers, engine swap options of multiple varieties, 3 forms of FI (one of which is new to any platform), tranny swaps, aftermarket ECUs, and more tuning options than most tenured platforms have.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by Luckrider

In the grand scheme of things, this platform is far ahead of its time. In less than 2 years we have everything from 9s cars to 200hp corner killers, engine swap options of multiple varieties, 3 forms of FI (one of which is new to any platform), tranny swaps, aftermarket ECUs, and more tuning options than most tenured platforms have.

What is this new type of FI...

[Mathewgzlz]

@Luis_GT I think he's referring to the phantom electric supercharger


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[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

What is this new type of FI...

Probably referring to the ESC

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

Probably referring to the ESC

That isn't new...

[Frs300]

Someone send me a clutch

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by Frs300

Someone send me a clutch

Lol


I love boost!!!!!!

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Frs300

Someone send me a clutch

whats with the one you have? is it new? used? abused?

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

whats with the one you have? is it new? used? abused?

I think toni jacked it from another car


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