Roll cage/bar Question

[was385]

Originally Posted by dirtymax

I travel on a very dangerous road were cars routinely get flattened and people die. I have been looking at the Cusco 4 point and my worries have been the function of the rear air bag and if I can get enough padding on the rear bars to keep it safe for my kids

If your head hits that bar, you could make a pretty minor accident VERY dangerous or deadly. Bars without the full safety setup (especially a helmet and harness) are incredibly unsafe for the street. Please do not get a bar if this is what you're going to be using it for.

[mrk1]

A roll bar is an all or nothing choice. Either your completely stock or you all the way and get a proper welded in part with zero back seat.

Anything that just bolts in is no good.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Sulee417

I use my car as a DD and occasionally carry people in the back seat. I want a roll bar or cage that still allows access to the rear seat and seat belts, the agency power roll bar seems promising as well as the cusco 4 point bar and 6 point cage. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with either of these or has other suggestions. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Why do you want a roll bar or cage?

Never, and I mean NEVER, put someone in the back seat with metal bars near them.

If you do and something happens I hope you get sued and lose everything you've worked for in life. Sorry, but it's just an incredibly idiotic idea.

[dirtymax]

Originally Posted by Shutter

its pretty simple, if you're going to have people in the back seat(ie, important ones like children), DONT RUN A HARNESS BAR/CAGE.

and @dirtymax, are you parking/and or driving around in monster truck arena's with your kids? Where is it that people routinely die all the time?(I'm joking lol-I know CA roads are pretty bad). A cage/4 point will only make the back seat more un-safe(even with padding), and more difficult to get in and out of.

mountain roads in the far north with big lifted up trucks and drunk people, lost a lot of friends on that road.

Thanks guys. was thinking it would make it unsafe myself but always looking of a safer option in this little car.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Pleeeeease do not get the Cusco "roll cage." It is not a safety improvement in my opinion.

Rollcage padding is not there so that you can hit your head on it and be fine.

Rollcage means you must wear a helmet and wear a harness.

Rollcage is for a TRACK car only.

Back half roll bar is streetable when used correctly.

Either way, there should be no one, especially not children, in the backseat.

If you routinely travel on a dangerous road with your kids, just drive slower and more carefully!

IMO there are three proper ways to approach this kind of thing.

1. Completely stock. Helmet on the track.

2. Properly implemented roll bar with harness bar, harnesses + helmet for the track. Just remove your back seat.

3. Full welded in cage installed by professionals. Never driven on the street. Helmet + harness. No "style" roll cages made for showcars with thin tubing and stupid bends bolted in with weak ass junk hardware.

- Andy

You forgot about proper seats.

There are only two configurations that I will ever consider on track.

1. Stock (or equiv) seats with no roll bar/cage and stock 3 point belts.
2. Roll bar/cage, fixed-back seats, 5/6+ point harnesses.

If you want head and neck protection there are systems that do so without requiring harnesses so that's not a valid excuse either.

[dirtymax]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Why do you want a roll bar or cage?

Never, and I mean NEVER, put someone in the back seat with metal bars near them.

If you do and something happens I hope you get sued and lose everything you've worked for in life. Sorry, but it's just an incredibly idiotic idea.

Dont you think as a moderator that a little on the harsh side? After all this is a place to ask questions and the cusco 4 point doesnt exactly have you wrapped in metal bars

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by mrk1

A roll bar is an all or nothing choice. Either your completely stock or you all the way and get a proper welded in part with zero back seat.

Anything that just bolts in is no good.

Bolted is better than nothing. Although I add even bigger plates in on top and bottom (of the sheet metal of the car - I'm sure you knew what I meant but just in case others weren't clear) to help distribute load when using a bolted bar.

[7thgear]

that's what makes him an amazing moderator

harsh is the only way to deal with yokels, cuz if you sugar coat it they'll think it's all a ruse and continue asking physics-defying questions hoping that their original premise will somehow gain validity.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by dirtymax

Dont you think as a moderator that a little on the harsh side? After all this is a place to ask questions and the cusco 4 point doesnt exactly have you wrapped in metal bars

When it comes to safety I don't think being harsh is a bad thing. It's not like I attacked his wheel choice or something.

Also coming from a track guys perspective who has spent over 15 years on the track this is a topic I feel strongly about. Why p%#$yfoot around a serious topic?

[Simon99]

Originally Posted by dirtymax

I travel on a very dangerous road were cars routinely get flattened and people die. I have been looking at the Cusco 4 point and my worries have been the function of the rear air bag and if I can get enough padding on the rear bars to keep it safe for my kids

Where the fuck do you travel ?

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[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

You forgot about proper seats.

There are only two configurations that I will ever consider on track.

1. Stock (or equiv) seats with no roll bar/cage and stock 3 point belts.
2. Roll bar/cage, fixed-back seats, 5/6+ point harnesses.

If you want head and neck protection there are systems that do so without requiring harnesses so that's not a valid excuse either.

Derp, yes I forgot about seats! Proper fixed back seats with a rollbar or cage.

Agreed 100%. I don't mess with harness bars either.

- Andy

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Simon99

Where the fuck do you travel ?

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dirtmax's trip to work and back..


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[dirtymax]

Originally Posted by Simon99

Where the fuck do you travel ?

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Humboldt County California. Lots of super dangerous roads with people that have quite a different life style.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Those who have been in this a long time know someone or has witnessed injuries or worse from improper safety prep. For example, a friend in high school had to have major plastic surgery after getting in an accident on the street with his roll cage equipped car.

- Andy