llcoolchris77 is a scammer.

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Honestly if this was the situation, I'd just offer to pay extra for the 3% on his end.

This way you still get a great deal and he still gets his $300 or whatever sale price was. Everyone wins.

... but look at it this way. Even if it was an in-person cash transaction and you sold something, who is to say the other person isn't paying with counterfeit money? If a 3rd party system is set up to protect both buyer/seller and offer a dispute/mediation service, always take advantage of that.

-alex

I did offer him $300 + 3% in the beginning. That was the first thing I said to him. I always do this for all the Paypal transaction that I do.

He just said he needed $ to send out the package. He said his life took a shitty turn, had to give up his BRZ, had to move to Nebraska from Maryland. He needed quick cash and room at his place, that's why he's selling the exhaust.

So, I believed it and gift him the payment. Call me a dumbass because I know I am.

Originally Posted by Prog

I have no idea if this would work, but you could always dispute the charge with your credit card company if that's how you funded it. Since PayPal is a payment service and not the actual provider of the goods you were scammed out of, I'm not really sure if that'll fly, though.

Yeah, I have always linked my bank account to use on Paypal.

[Prog]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Yeah, I have always linked my bank account to use on Paypal.

D'oh, oh well. Never mind then.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Your bank doesn't care, PayPal cares. So there's two lines of defense:

1) PayPal (within their period for disputes)
2) Credit card company (if option 1 fails and assuming you paid with credit card)



1) To scam
or
2) To not pay the credit card fees and pass the cost of doing business to the buyer.

To avoid this, ideally the admin should set concrete rules of either product w/ forum name on a piece of paper, or prohibit all sales with a "PayPal gift" option. All sales should be via normal PayPal or otherwise verified method of payment, to avoid these types of situations.

Yes, scammers will still try to game the system. However, by using a normal PayPal method of payment for a product, you as a buyer will be protected, and so will the seller.

Sometimes saving 3% means losing 100%.

-alex

Yeah I *always* pay the free unless I know the seller.

On the flip side of this story I've had a set of forged wheels show up that I forgot I bought.. sent the funds right away when they arrived lol

[wheelhaus]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

When the scammer was keep on insisting that I have to send him as a gift, I actually wanted to show him that gifting is not allowed on FT86 thinking it would be under the trading rules.

Surprisingly it wasn't in the rule book.

Insisting on the gift option accomplishes two things:
1- he doesn't pay fees to withdrawl the money from PP.
2- He is exempt from PP's normal buyer protection.

Sending money as a "gift" makes no difference in how quickly he gets the money, so insisting that "gifting" is the only way to do it quickly, is BS.

[supramkivtt2jz]

i believe 4432666956 is his number. it shows up vwvortex's cached results with his username

its also in his "about me" section on a vacuum forum....

http://www.truckmountforums.com/clea...nd-blower.html

also looks like might be located in columbia

http://www.mylife.com/llcoolchris

[leicaboss]

Originally Posted by supramkivtt2jz

i believe 4432666956 is his number. it shows up vwvortex's cached results with his username

its also in his "about me" section on a vacuum forum....

http://www.truckmountforums.com/clea...nd-blower.html

also looks like might be located in columbia

http://www.mylife.com/llcoolchris

What the hell, there are forums for vacuums?!

[Kelbyat07]

Originally Posted by supramkivtt2jz

i believe 4432666956 is his number. it shows up vwvortex's cached results with his username

its also in his "about me" section on a vacuum forum....

http://www.truckmountforums.com/clea...nd-blower.html

also looks like might be located in columbia

http://www.mylife.com/llcoolchris

Nice dig man!

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by supramkivtt2jz

i believe 4432666956 is his number. it shows up vwvortex's cached results with his username

its also in his "about me" section on a vacuum forum....

http://www.truckmountforums.com/clea...nd-blower.html

also looks like might be located in columbia

http://www.mylife.com/llcoolchris

Oh wow.. Yeah, I think that's him. He said he's 22 yr old.

How the hell do you find these stuff? haha Crazy.

[supramkivtt2jz]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Oh wow.. Yeah, I think that's him. He said he's 22 yr old.

How the hell do you find these stuff? haha Crazy.

social engineering. just keep searching variants of a username with any known data about the person of interest and bingo - youll find things. i was hoping to find his address some place, but the twat was pretty good at not disclosing certain things. he's gone back to MANY forums over the last month and deleted dozens of posts with identifying information.

thats all i could really dig up in 15 mins at work. give me an hour at home and i should find more information. a lot of links/pic sites, etc. are blocked. searching his plate number should return a county or insurance information on a simple background check website

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by supramkivtt2jz

social engineering. just keep searching variants of a username with any known data about the person of interest and bingo - youll find things. i was hoping to find his address some place, but the twat was pretty good at not disclosing certain things. he's gone back to MANY forums over the last month and deleted dozens of posts with identifying information.

Wow.

Guess he really wanted that $300.

So, he might still be in Maryland, not Nebraska?

[supramkivtt2jz]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Wow.

Guess he really wanted that $300.

So, he might still be in Maryland, not Nebraska?

based on his activity deleting and modifying posts on various forums (like the truck vacuum for whatever forum i originally linked) it was posted three weeks ago. his WTB ad says to call him at that number (same as what is cached on VWV) and that he is willing to drive a few hours outside of maryland.

Im reasonably confident he is in maryland and that is his contact number.

[sklimo]

Originally Posted by supramkivtt2jz

social engineering. just keep searching variants of a username with any known data about the person of interest and bingo - youll find things. i was hoping to find his address some place, but the twat was pretty good at not disclosing certain things. he's gone back to MANY forums over the last month and deleted dozens of posts with identifying information.

thats all i could really dig up in 15 mins at work. give me an hour at home and i should find more information. a lot of links/pic sites, etc. are blocked. searching his plate number should return a county or insurance information on a simple background check website

Remind me not to piss you off lol

[supramkivtt2jz]

Originally Posted by sklimo

Remind me not to piss you off lol

ha, ive had one too many situations where i could have lost a lot of money... it pays off to know a little about researching people

[husker741]

If he is indeed in Nebraska, I have people you can contact. I know of stuff like this happening before and the people I'm talking about got their money back, and then some...

I'm serious. Let me know if I can help.