Hit the exit ramp rail :(

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by supramkivtt2jz

Your ignorance is amazing.

actually, its yours

[mezdup]

@dad&sonFRS that's terrible man, sorry to hear. if you need replacement side markers though i'm selling mine and i'm pretty local so you could pick it up if you wanted to. lemme know: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60651

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Marchy

(and even then with the number of crashes the FRS/BRZ its probably going to go up).

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

The number of I slid and crashed my car lol stock tires threads here and posts on Facebook groups are evidence of this.

Originally Posted by Snowblind

Driver error/safety features turned off is more at fault than the tires on the car with all of these wrecked car threads.

Does anybody have any actual, verified statistics that indicate that this car is experiencing an unusual number of crashes? Until I see them, I'm not going to assume that the number of FR-S or BRZ crashes is any higher than with any other car.

Does anybody remember the Summer of the Shark? In 2001 the national cable news channels had nothing better to cover than shark attacks. They got on a rip and covered every damned shark attack through that entire summer. It seemed like the sharks were rising up against us, and the news channels played on that and speculated endlessly on what was causing the "rise" in sharks eating people.

The problem was that there was no rise in shark attacks. It was the same as every other summer. The only thing that was different was that people were hearing about it because the news channels decided to cover it. It was word of the shark attacks that had increased, not actual shark attacks. Yet the national media continued that crap right up until the September 11 attacks drew their attention away from it.

I strongly suspect a similar phenomenon is happening here. If you crash your Chrysler 200, you're not going to get on a family car enthusiast board and post about it, because nobody will care. Pieces of Chrysler 200s could be littered all over the nation's highways, and we wouldn't know it because nobody would care enough to discuss it.

But the people who crash their FR-Ss and BRZs tend to come right here and tell everyone, because they know other people who love this car will be interested and will commiserate on their loss. Seeing "all of these wrecked car threads" is only evidence that people actually give a crap about this car beyond just having a ride to work. It tells you nothing at all about how this car stacks up against other cars in the accident statistics.

The good thing for us is that insurance companies use actual statistics rather than word of mouth on internet message boards when calculating the risk premium to add to the cost of your insurance. So until one of the insurance groups that track this kind of thing comes out and says that we have a crash-prone car, let us please not get worked up over whether our insurance rates are going to increase.

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Does anybody have any actual, verified statistics that indicate that this car is experiencing an unusual number of crashes? Until I see them, I'm not going to assume that the number of FR-S or BRZ crashes is any higher than with any other car.

Does anybody remember the Summer of the Shark? In 2001 the national cable news channels had nothing better to cover than shark attacks. They got on a rip and covered every damned shark attack through that entire summer. It seemed like the sharks were rising up against us, and the news channels played on that and speculated endlessly on what was causing the "rise" in sharks eating people.

The problem was that there was no rise in shark attacks. It was the same as every other summer. The only thing that was different was that people were hearing about it because the news channels decided to cover it. It was word of the shark attacks that had increased, not actual shark attacks. Yet the national media continued that crap right up until the September 11 attacks drew their attention away from it.

I strongly suspect a similar phenomenon is happening here. If you crash your Chrysler 200, you're not going to get on a family car enthusiast board and post about it, because nobody will care. Pieces of Chrysler 200s could be littered all over the nation's highways, and we wouldn't know it because nobody would care enough to discuss it.

But the people who crash their FR-Ss and BRZs tend to come right here and tell everyone, because they know other people who love this car will be interested and will commiserate on their loss. Seeing "all of these wrecked car threads" is only evidence that people actually give a crap about this car beyond just having a ride to work. It tells you nothing at all about how this car stacks up against other cars in the accident statistics.

The good thing for us is that insurance companies use actual statistics rather than word of mouth on internet message boards when calculating the risk premium to add to the cost of your insurance. So until one of the insurance groups that track this kind of thing comes out and says that we have a crash-prone car, let us please not get worked up over whether our insurance rates are going to increase.

Go through this section and click on the accident threads since november, then look at what the cars were using for tires,

There is no justification for using summer tires in the winter, let alone on a lightweight tail happy rwd car.

One minor fender bender and the financial advantage has dissolved. Let alone factors like safety of yourself and others.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

There is no justification for using summer tires in the winter, let alone on a lightweight tail happy rwd car.

I can't argue with that, and didn't. What I'm saying is that what he have here is anecdotal evidence. Regardless of the effect of the tires, I'm not convinced that there are more accidents happening with this car than with any other car on the road until I see some statistical evidence of that. People posting "I crashed my beloved BRZ" on the internet is not statistical evidence.

[funwheeldrive]

OP, just curious but did you have all of the nannies on when this happened?

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

OP, just curious but did you have all of the nannies on when this happened?

Honestly, I'm not sure that would have helped very much, since the OP understeered into a guard rail.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Honestly, I'm not sure that would have helped very much, since the OP understeered into a guard rail.

Actually the TC can cause what appears to be understeer.
If you drive in a circle in a parking lot trying to get the rear end loose, the circle will get larger as the TC trys to keep the ass from stepping out.

Repeat the experiment with TC off and you will see that you can cut a much smaller circle even before you begin to lose traction.

[dad&sonFRS]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

OP, just curious but did you have all of the nannies on when this happened?

yup all the nannies were on , i was thinking maybe had i turned off traction , i might've been able to rotate the car enough to avoid the rail. Still sucks to see i managed to understeer this tail happy car. I wasnt going fast , rpms werent high , so it had to be the small puddle and water that caused it

[Whitigir]

You need to play more Forza Op.

Anyways, it is a good idea to go to a body shop and pay by your cash.

I wouldn't recommend it though, because in the picture, your car will likely cost $3,500 (Cheapest) for the estimate. All out Estimate would be in the 5-6k as in replacements of everything, Body painted matching color and etc...

If the insurance pay for you, and it wasn't you on the insurance, you could ask your dad to take the hit for you, and his insurance won't be raised up much.

Now, it would be 10x more expensive if the insurance knows it was you who operated the car....can you imagine their reactions ?

"WTF ? This guy got in an accident all by himself ? I wouldn't be his passenger!"

The exact reason why they will jack it up 10x compare to your dad

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

Curious how long it'll take for my rates to go up based on the amount of people crashing this car...

Mine went down. I was told it was because it was small and light and did less damage to whatever it hit or hit it. However, you may be right.

[Mrpolarbear]

Originally Posted by dad&sonFRS

...and try and correct the understeer...

Found your problem

[dad&sonFRS]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

You need to play more Forza Op.

Anyways, it is a good idea to go to a body shop and pay by your cash.

I wouldn't recommend it though, because in the picture, your car will likely cost $3,500 (Cheapest) for the estimate. All out Estimate would be in the 5-6k as in replacements of everything, Body painted matching color and etc...

If the insurance pay for you, and it wasn't you on the insurance, you could ask your dad to take the hit for you, and his insurance won't be raised up much.

Now, it would be 10x more expensive if the insurance knows it was you who operated the car....can you imagine their reactions ?

"WTF ? This guy got in an accident all by himself ? I wouldn't be his passenger!"

The exact reason why they will jack it up 10x compare to your dad

Well the car is insured under my uncle's insurance, he lives in conneticut. so he told them that i just borrowed the car for the day. so i'm hoping it all works out. The insurance knows i was driving , insurance tow truck is coming for the car in about an hour , i just want this all to go by , and i know , I'll make sure i pay out whatever is the increase on the insurance once its renewed. I'm not worried about the car too much , because i trust my mechanic , I'm more worried about how much higher the premium will be, but regardless i'll make sure i am responsible for that.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by dad&sonFRS

Well the car is insured under my uncle's insurance, he lives in conneticut. so he told them that i just borrowed the car for the day. so i'm hoping it all works out. The insurance knows i was driving , insurance tow truck is coming for the car in about an hour , i just want this all to go by , and i know , I'll make sure i pay out whatever is the increase on the insurance once its renewed. I'm not worried about the car too much , because i trust my mechanic , I'm more worried about how much higher the premium will be, but regardless i'll make sure i am responsible for that.

That is some Men in you.

You will likely be hit twice.

1/ paying for the rate increase of whichever exceed the current payment

2/ In the future, if you need to have insurance on your own within 3 years, the accident is recorded, and kept for 3 years, and it will affect your own insurance rate