Wheel Directory: Varrstoen ES221 18x8.5 +45

[Evo2Brz]

The argument at the beginning was more entertaining than the pictures. Drop that thing!


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[DarrenDriven]

[dkx64]

Originally Posted by dobbrz

xxr 968. Can't afford to drop thousands on wheels so still on the fake wheel bandwagon. Not really an upgrade but I think I am going to like them.
Also...I'm not going to beat this to death. But 235/40 on a 9.5 is "fine". It is not ideal, but it is a very mild stretch. And stretched tires are the most dangerous if you are dumb and don't check tire pressure. There is no doubt that running stretched tires raises the probability of breaking the bead when your tire goes flat... So yes, it is slightly more dangerous...but I am more worried about being struck by lightning. Especially with such a mild stretch. Check out some of the setups on http://tyrestretch.com/
Many of those are extreme and I would never go that far..haha

Not a bad choice on the wheels. I always recommend replica wheels. Unless it's a race car just buy any wheel you can afford that you hunk looks good.

I will never understand why people stretch their tires. I don't need to remind you how unsafe it can be. And honestly I think it looks terrible. I'm not bagging your setup but it seems to me to be the cheap way out. Running tire sizes 3 or more sizes lower than you should and running ridiculous camber makes it look like you couldn't afford to buy the necessary parts to make it look and handle correctly. 235 on a 9.5 wheel is too small and 225 is the same size as stock lol. Why would you want to keep the Prius width tire?! I was considering 235/35 for my 8.5 wheels at one point and I honestly would never go any smaller than that. Maybe I'm just more about the American muscle sense that wider tires look 10x better, regardless of the power you're running, and performance aside. If you check my build thread I have nothing that gives my car better performance only appearance. Stock power on these cars is more than adequate and that's coming from a guy with a 340 hp evo ix mr so don't tell me I don't know what fast is. Anyone that says this car needs more power is clearly ready for f1 and should be buying a different car. Plain and simple. If you can't afford a better car buy a steering wheel for your pc and play grid 2 or Mario kart.

While I understand there is a huge community that stretches their tires for the "look". I'll never understand why they think it looks good. I think it just looks cheap


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[dobbrz]

Originally Posted by dkx64

Not a bad choice on the wheels. I always recommend replica wheels. Unless it's a race car just buy any wheel you can afford that you hunk looks good.

I will never understand why people stretch their tires. I don't need to remind you how unsafe it can be. And honestly I think it looks terrible. I'm not bagging your setup but it seems to me to be the cheap way out. Running tire sizes 3 or more sizes lower than you should and running ridiculous camber makes it look like you couldn't afford to buy the necessary parts to make it look and handle correctly. 235 on a 9.5 wheel is too small and 225 is the same size as stock lol. Why would you want to keep the Prius width tire?! I was considering 235/35 for my 8.5 wheels at one point and I honestly would never go any smaller than that. Maybe I'm just more about the American muscle sense that wider tires look 10x better, regardless of the power you're running, and performance aside. If you check my build thread I have nothing that gives my car better performance only appearance. Stock power on these cars is more than adequate and that's coming from a guy with a 340 hp evo ix mr so don't tell me I don't know what fast is. Anyone that says this car needs more power is clearly ready for f1 and should be buying a different car. Plain and simple. If you can't afford a better car buy a steering wheel for your pc and play grid 2 or Mario kart.

While I understand there is a huge community that stretches their tires for the "look". I'll never understand why they think it looks good. I think it just looks cheap


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LOL. I thought we were done with this. but here we go again. There is so many things about your opinion that contradict each other but I won't go through them all.

First: 225 is NOT the stock tire size. 215/45/17 is

Second: You cheap out on replica wheels but then say that when people buy a tire size smaller than you (aka about 15-20 bucks a tire cheaper), that it looks like they are cheaping out....hmmm

Third: If you are going to say buy a steering wheel for my PC at least recommend a game that is closer to a simulation not an arcade game.

Fourth: An Evo is not that fast...Not going to go there but I grew up driving cars that my dad and his friends owned. (porsches, audis, aston martins)

Fifth: Tire stretch is not only for looks, used in moderation it can also decrease tire flex. (although you can get the same effect with increasing tire pressure) (still not recommending people to go stretch their 215s onto an 11 inch wide wheel)

Sixth: "If you check my build thread I have nothing that gives my car better performance only appearance."
That my friend, is what some people call a ricer...

Seventh: I am not running ridiculous camber...Now you are just saying things because you think it will provoke people to get on your side because that is a popular opinion on this site. I also agree running ridiculous camber is stupid..So I don't know why this was even mentioned in your response

I know it is just your opinion, but don't attack me because my setup is perfectly safe. If you think it looks cheap, fine...I think your car looks like a 4x4...Or like some person in the ghetto put wheels on the car that look too big just because you didn't lower it at all and are running a taller wheel/tire than stock.

Are we done?

EDIT: Tagged in hopes of a response. @dkx64

[dkx64]

Whatever man. YOU WIN! Feel good to get that off your chest? Hows it feel to win a pointless argument? I think someone needs a tampon.

Originally Posted by dobbrz

Are we done?

EDIT: Tagged in hopes of a response. @dkx64

What is this high school? Take your drama elsewhere. You need to be more considerate of people on the forums. You come in here giving honest feedback on my wheel choice. I expressed my views on your feedback and think that I'm attacking you. It seems you wish to wage war for no reason. Get a grip on yourself and go bug someone else. This is my thread to inform people about wheel choice and offset. If you have questions, ask them, but dont be a jerk about my decisions or views on the car. I got what I could afford that looked good to me. I could care less what you think of my mods. Get what you want. I dont really care. The end. Good day

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[dobbrz]

YAY


Not sure if that gif will work ^

[dkx64]

LOL

[Mooseknuckle44]

Originally Posted by dkx64

Not a bad choice on the wheels. I always recommend replica wheels. Unless it's a race car just buy any wheel you can afford that you hunk looks good.

I will never understand why people stretch their tires. I don't need to remind you how unsafe it can be. And honestly I think it looks terrible. I'm not bagging your setup but it seems to me to be the cheap way out. Running tire sizes 3 or more sizes lower than you should and running ridiculous camber makes it look like you couldn't afford to buy the necessary parts to make it look and handle correctly. 235 on a 9.5 wheel is too small and 225 is the same size as stock lol. Why would you want to keep the Prius width tire?! I was considering 235/35 for my 8.5 wheels at one point and I honestly would never go any smaller than that. Maybe I'm just more about the American muscle sense that wider tires look 10x better, regardless of the power you're running, and performance aside. If you check my build thread I have nothing that gives my car better performance only appearance. Stock power on these cars is more than adequate and that's coming from a guy with a 340 hp evo ix mr so don't tell me I don't know what fast is. Anyone that says this car needs more power is clearly ready for f1 and should be buying a different car. Plain and simple. If you can't afford a better car buy a steering wheel for your pc and play grid 2 or Mario kart.

While I understand there is a huge community that stretches their tires for the "look". I'll never understand why they think it looks good. I think it just looks cheap


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New to the forum. Relatively new to the tuner type car modding scene(used to be alot more into lowered trucks-late 90's.) This is incredibly off topic and not trying to pick anything.
I love your fitment and flush look. Perfect tire size on your wheels IMO. I too think stretching and retard cambering look RIDICULOUS. Not a big fan of the wheels personally but I like thinner spokes on my wheels, and again just my preference.
BUT. The 86 is slow. Having had an 06 GTO, that was only 5K more than this car, that would absolutley smoke it everywhere but a corner. And I've got several buddies with other 4 bangers that are as quick as this car for not nearly the price. Hell my 2000 Maxima will walk the dog on the 86. To say that this car DOESN'T need more power is insanity. The torqueless wonder has been thrown around more than enough.
Now I know a GTO and even a Maxima are comparing apples to crayons here but the 86 is VASTLY underpowered. There is no thrill in this car WOT. This car, as we all know, shines in curves. Not a straight line drag car at all. Even FI wouldn't make this car THAT much faster in a straight line due to it's weight(too light to hook up.)
Brand new car, suspension, wheels, beefier tires, FI and tune and you're looking at $40K. Line up on a 10 yr old stock Vette that you can pick up for $18K and you'll still get smoked.

Thoroughly not trying to start anything here. But I, and alot of other people probably, whole heartedly disagree with the "stock power is more than adequate" comment. If anything "adequate" is a serious dillusion for the 86's power.

[slicktop]

Originally Posted by Mooseknuckle44

New to the forum. Relatively new to the tuner type car modding scene(used to be alot more into lowered trucks-late 90's.) This is incredibly off topic and not trying to pick anything.
I love your fitment and flush look. Perfect tire size on your wheels IMO. I too think stretching and retard cambering look RIDICULOUS. Not a big fan of the wheels personally but I like thinner spokes on my wheels, and again just my preference.
BUT. The 86 is slow. Having had an 06 GTO, that was only 5K more than this car, that would absolutley smoke it everywhere but a corner. And I've got several buddies with other 4 bangers that are as quick as this car for not nearly the price. Hell my 2000 Maxima will walk the dog on the 86. To say that this car DOESN'T need more power is insanity. The torqueless wonder has been thrown around more than enough.
Now I know a GTO and even a Maxima are comparing apples to crayons here but the 86 is VASTLY underpowered. There is no thrill in this car WOT. This car, as we all know, shines in curves. Not a straight line drag car at all. Even FI wouldn't make this car THAT much faster in a straight line due to it's weight(too light to hook up.)
Brand new car, suspension, wheels, beefier tires, FI and tune and you're looking at $40K. Line up on a 10 yr old stock Vette that you can pick up for $18K and you'll still get smoked.

Thoroughly not trying to start anything here. But I, and alot of other people probably, whole heartedly disagree with the "stock power is more than adequate" comment. If anything "adequate" is a serious dillusion for the 86's power.

Way too many variables, but I'll say that you haven't been in a properly boosted FRS yet, have you?

The car hooks up just fine. $10k will get you 10s in this car. Anything short of a GTR against a properly built FRS doesn't stand much of a chance, IMO.

[dkx64]

I had a 2nd hand evo for 27k 2 cars back and without touching anything it would be on par if not better than any 40k frs. Plus you would have 13k left over to actually pay for the gas that you're using now and to mod the crap out of it. Most cars would get smoked by an evo with 5k put into it. I'm not saying this car is powerful. I'm just saying. I didn't buy the car to go fast. With the amount of horrible drivers out there I'm content driving a safe and legal speed anywhere I go. Do be a retard. The only time I ever feel the need to push it is the onramp to the freeway if it's completely clear of cars. I don't need more power. More power equates to less gas mileage and right now. I'd drive like a grandma if it gave me more than 30+. If I ever need power I'll go get another evo. That's all I'm saying here haha. But there are more reasons to buy a car than power.

To bring this back to topic a little bit. Wheel and tire choice aren't going to affect the amount of time it takes to get to and from work. Therefore this car doesn't "need" power, although there might be a "want" for it. Do what you need to do. It's more than adequate for what I use it for.

Also. I'd never own a corvette. I have always thought of them as a women's car. I just can't get into them enough to ever own one. Plenty of other cars id own before a corvette.


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[Evo2Brz]

I can attest to this comment. I purchased my evo for 24k and put about 2k into it. The thing was fast and sounded even better. I also didn't purchase my brz to go fast. It looks nice and has much of the amenities that my evo did not have.
I must say though... I really miss boost but I don't miss the hassle involved in maintaining a car like that. I would probably rather drive a brand new boosted brz/frs in the low 12's than a used evo


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[dkx64]

Originally Posted by Evo2Brz

I can attest to this comment. I purchased my evo for 24k and put about 2k into it. The thing was fast and sounded even better. I also didn't purchase my brz to go fast. It looks nice and has much of the amenities that my evo did not have.
I must say though... I really miss boost but I don't miss the hassle involved in maintaining a car like that. I would probably rather drive a brand new boosted brz/frs in the low 12's than a used evo


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I never had any problems with my evo so maintaining it wasn't really an issue. It had more storage space than the twins and 4 doors which was nice. But 2 doors look better for sure I'm with you. I don't need fast. I'll be low and slow hopefully sooner rather than later. I'm just practicing driving slower now before I hit something on the freeway or something, maybe a drive way haha


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[Mooseknuckle44]

Originally Posted by slicktop

Way too many variables, but I'll say that you haven't been in a properly boosted FRS yet, have you?

The car hooks up just fine. $10k will get you 10s in this car. Anything short of a GTR against a properly built FRS doesn't stand much of a chance, IMO.

I've never been in a boosted anything. LOL. I live a very boring existence with a bunch of broke/non-car guy buddies. I myself have never had the money to turbo anything I've owned. I'd love to go for a ride in one but I'm married so leaving the house for my own pleasure without reprocussions and an act of Marital congress is nearly impossible. Plus I have kids. NO LIFE.
I take that back. When I was 15 I rode in a twin turbo Supra. The owner said it was putting down over 600. Rode in it for about 20 seconds. fastest thing I've ever sat in.

I've got my eye on Ptunings kit. I've only put aftermarket wheels and tires on one ride(93 nissan hardbody) and it was a less than good experience. But I was 17 and naive. Had no clue what I was doing. I want some 18's for this car with none of that stretched /retarded cambered crap. Nearly straight up and down and flush-ish is ideal for me as far as aesthetics go.
So if anybody has suggestions as to which route would be affordable and what numbers(offset, width, tire size, etc.) would meet my criteria I would LOVE to hear em.

[Evo2Brz]

Xxr wheels look nice and are affordable!


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