How about a innovate thread for those who are thinking of buying one

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Maybe you should open up your eyes, since I post almost daily in the innovate thread.

Pretty apparent now that I know you are a KW owner you are just another one on the bandwagon for their said kit. I do not deny the issues this kit has, but they are minor to me bc I know wtf I'm doing when working on a car. I have had basically no issues with this kit, all minor, which can happen on any damn kit you buy. Just so you know I really like the KW kit and if I wasn't so impatient I would have probably got that instead.

The pricing has nothing to do with this. If you think there's a better kit for the money (which you do since you did not purchase it) then go ahead. Not everyone is looking for the best hp/dollar ratio. I think this kit at the power level is great as my car is a DD. If I want to upgrade, I'll sell the damn thing and get something else.

You should look into anger management. I said nothing to warrant your 10 year old outburst.

You toned down your original reply while the forum had a hiccup. You came on aggressive with your you clearly didn't read the fucking thread my kit is great comment, and now are deflecting when the response was aggressive in kind.

Just because you haven't had issues doesn't mean others haven't. I followed the innovate owners thread intensely before making a decision and like I said had the factors lined up I would have purchased an innovate. Price is always a factor, innovate s2 unfortunately doesn't present the value of the other kits when considering real world price, posted issues and headroom. Had it presented itself as a better value I would own one.

I installed my kit too, that's cool we can both kinda turn a wrench.

Once again. No where did I say it's a terrible kit. What I did say, from the perspective of someone looking to make a purchasing decision (clearly the goal of this thread) the kit presents the least value (outside of hks) when all factors are considered.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by Calum

Goose is the one that had most of the belt issues, wasn't he? I thought he attributes his issues to his tensioner, not the kit. If so, that's a moot point.

Replacing the fitting seems to be an issue, @xxscaxx could you elaborate on how they've taken care of this?

The allen head bolts breaking and being of subpar quality is a big issue in my mind, and I haven't heard of any fix for that.

And then there's the coolant leaks that keep croping up.

xxscaxx, if you know sepcifics about fixes for these, there's a lot of us that are still on the fense about this kit that would love to know

I just replaced my allen head bolts with higher quality ones from my hardware store. Cost me about $5-10, and took less than 10min to replace. The bolt sizing is outlined in the install manual.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Pricing has everything to do with the FI game, IMO. However, I suggest the both of you step back and don't turn this thread into a doody pile, please.

I honestly said nothing to warrant his stupid little outburst lol.

Anyways, I think the innovate kit is specific to certain people is what i'm saying, that don't want to go overboard with power. I could have bought a turbo kit and almost did, but this car is too new to just throw 500whp at it everyday.

I don't look at the price, I look at what I want in the kit first. Sure it was cheaper, but I knew going into it that with the intercooler kit i'd be probably even with a bunch of other kits, and I was ok with that. I don't mind spending the money, its a car, thats what we all do. If I sell it, I sell it, and move on with something else.

Calum - Innovate said the reason the fittings were coming loose was because after the elbow was heat cycled they would cause them to move. They now heat cycle (i'm assuming the back elbow piece which hold the fittings on) it and claim no more issues.

Even so, all you would have to do before putting the supercharger on is remove those 3 fittings, throw teflon on them, and tighten them back up. Its only a PITA once the supercharger is on because theres no room to get those off without taking the elbow off the back off (which would literally take 2 minutes with the sc on a bench).

I can't really comment on the allen bolts. Two of mine broke after taking the supercharger off and putting the intercooler on there. Maybe I over torqued them? idk. But they did send me like 20 new bolts.

I'm not sure who else had a coolant leak, but this only applies obviously if you go with the intercooler kit. I happened to have a leak at the t fitting up top that they preclamp prior to sending it to you. I called Innovate, and they sent me worm drive clamps that I then used to fix it, and haven't had an issue since. So those pre installed clamps must have not been tight enough.

One or two owners have had some bad luck (like Ryan86) and had a whole slew of issues happen. Others, like me, nothing really that would make me kick and scream about.

But basically all these issues can be nipped right off the bat now that the information has been out. It was why I was kind of pissed when I found out that aftermarket map sensors are causing issues with the intercooler kit on there, since tuners and others knew about it, yet I saw nothing posted about it (or if it was, it wasn't made to be a big deal - maybe i missed it, the Innovate thread IS pretty long).

[Calum]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

I just replaced my allen head bolts with higher quality ones from my hardware store. Cost me about $5-10, and took less than 10min to replace. The bolt sizing is outlined in the install manual.

Replacing the bolts doesn't bug me. It's more a principle thing. If they're willing to sell kits with subpar parts that are easily viewable, what are they doing on the inside? It might be that those bolts are the only thing that's wrong, but it might not be.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Price is a factor. I look at what I want, then I look at the price and make a value-conscious decision. This will vary between people; I have no issue throwing down $7-8K for a Full Blown GTX28 kit when I can afford it, but is that the best choice? Is this kit at half the price of a Full Blown kit with upgrades worth it? I get what you're saying, but I'm saying price is going to be a factor for most people.

Originally Posted by Calum

Replacing the bolts doesn't bug me. It's more a principle thing. If they're willing to sell kits with subpar parts that are easily viewable, what are they doing on the inside? It might be that those bolts are the only thing that's wrong, but it might not be.

Yup. It should be at least grade what, 8.8? All the shit on my car is grade 10.9 anyway. Do I need that much yield strength? No. Do I want that much yield strength? Yes.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

I did not try fuck your sister. Please remove the stick from your ass before I have to make another account.

Another account eh. What was your previous account?

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

You toned down your original reply while the forum had a hiccup. You came on aggressive with your you clearly didn't read the fucking thread my kit is great comment, and now are deflecting when the response was aggressive in kind.

Just because you haven't had issues doesn't mean others haven't. I followed the innovate owners thread intensely before making a decision and like I said had the factors lined up I would have purchased an innovate. Price is always a factor, innovate s2 unfortunately doesn't present the value of the other kits when considering real world price, posted issues and headroom. Had it presented itself as a better value I would own one.

I installed my kit too, that's cool we can both kinda turn a wrench.

Thats great, you have your reasons for not purchasing it, and I respect that.

I said you didn't read the thread very well, thats VERY different from saying what you are accusing me of above. Maybe you should learn to stop reading into things as a personal attack because I meant nothing by my comment. Seriously, stop arguing with me. That thread is for owners, of course people will post shortcomings or issues, thats the whole entire point of that thread. 3 months down the road issues may arise with the KW kit, but will I think its shit? no. Maybe I am too loose in the way I think about parts/money/etc, but I just try to enjoy my car and the parts I put on them for what it is. Every aftermarket part you put on a car is wasted money, so I really am over that price value sort of crap lol...but for right now, I really love my innovate kit. I'm sure I wouldn't if I got a ride in a turbo'd frs/brz though

Just curious, what headroom are you looking for? What does KW offer in regards to headroom without upgrading to the c38 unit? No doubt that the innovate is tapped out at pretty much 300whp, but once I am finally tuned on flexfuel and hope to be around that, if its not enough I will wait for the 210+ to come out and upgrade. Anything more in power and I will just go with a turbo kit if I desire.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by Calum

Replacing the bolts doesn't bug me. It's more a principle thing. If they're willing to sell kits with subpar parts that are easily viewable, what are they doing on the inside? It might be that those bolts are the only thing that's wrong, but it might not be.

I understand what you are saying, and completely agree with you. There is rarely admittance on Innovate's part, for subpar bolts or wrong clamps. This is my biggest gripe and worry with Innovate.

However, I can say that I haven't had any issues (aside from two bolt heads snapping), so I've been very happy.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I have no issue throwing down $7-8K for a Full Blown GTX28 kit when I can afford it, but is that the best choice?

Yes, although the FBM GTX28 kit doesn't cost that much.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Price is a factor. I look at what I want, then I look at the price and make a value-conscious decision. This will vary between people; I have no issue throwing down $7-8K for a Full Blown GTX28 kit when I can afford it, but is that the best choice? Is this kit at half the price of a Full Blown kit with upgrades worth it? I get what you're saying, but I'm saying price is going to be a factor for most people.



Yup. It should be at least grade what, 8.8? All the shit on my car is grade 10.9 anyway. Do I need that much yield strength? No. Do I want that much yield strength? Yes.

Yes, 8.8 as a minimum.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Yes, although the FBM GTX28 kit doesn't cost that much.

"Premium"

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Thats great, you have your reasons for not purchasing it, and I respect that.

I said you didn't read the thread very well, thats VERY different from saying what you are accusing me of above. Maybe you should learn to stop reading into things as a personal attack because I meant nothing by my comment. Seriously, stop arguing with me. That thread is for owners, of course people will post shortcomings or issues, thats the whole entire point of that thread. 3 months down the road issues may arise with the KW kit, but will I think its shit? no. Maybe I am too loose in the way I think about parts/money/etc, but I just try to enjoy my car and the parts I put on them for what it is. Every aftermarket part you put on a car is wasted money, so I really am over that price value sort of crap lol...but for right now, I really love my innovate kit. I'm sure I wouldn't if I got a ride in a turbo'd frs/brz though

Just curious, what headroom are you looking for? What does KW offer in regards to headroom without upgrading to the c38 unit? No doubt that the innovate is tapped out at pretty much 300whp, but once I am finally tuned on flexfuel and hope to be around that, if its not enough I will wait for the 210+ to come out and upgrade. Anything more in power and I will just go with a turbo kit if I desire.

You did edit the you didn't read the fucking thread bit.

Regardless.

Power is something people get used to and then want more of. 300whp innovate dynos are e85 and well modded. Rotorex dynos look to be around the 260whp range on stock cars. Add in a smaller pulley, fueling and exhaust bits 300whp should be doable without e85. Vortech iirc is king for headroom

Right now Kit tune and nearly stock is plenty, as that gets dull there will be some room for growth.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

"Premium"

It is premium, but I am sure LJ can get you a better price than $7k.

[xxscaxx]

@Model Citizen - Dude, I did not edit my first post...so IDK what you are talking about. Really, just let it be man.

I admit, 300whp on pump sounds awesome. I kind of wish thats where this kit was, but then again it will be once the 210+ is released.