Carbon Ceramic Brakes

[h4nh]

Originally Posted by Turdinator

Pretty sure my liver isn't worth that much...

High mileage liver

[Bartley]

Originally Posted by Turdinator

Pretty sure my liver isn't worth that much...

The liver is the only organ that can regenerate lost tissue, which is why you can keep on binge drinking.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Bartley

The liver is the only organ that can regenerate lost tissue, which is why you can keep on binge drinking.

Your skin does too, and it's technically an organ

[Shankenstein]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Carbon ceramic brakes are not very good for day to day use. They are, however, incredibly awesome on high performance applications. The statement, "warming up your brakes," is pretty important for them to work well. There are only a few brake pad compounds that are compatible with carbon ceramic rotors and are essential to maintaining the life of the rotor. On top of that, brake pads are still a huge function of what type of driving you will be doing. We have had multiple clients asking for carbon ceramic brakes, however, all of them have opted out of the option. What are you exactly looking for?

Sorry for the slow reponse. I wanted to give you a clear answer.

I'm planning to keep this car for a long time (10+ years). As things break, car devalues, and my skill increases... I'll slowly convert this from a C Stock RTR --> STX --> Mod class monstrosity.

For now, I'm still learning how to drive (well), so Enkei RPF1 17x7 and Dunlop 215 ZII's are enough to challenge me this season. The stereo upgrades are currently being sorted out (LINK to build thread), so I'm on to the next zone of interest.

I see brakes and safety items as the next area for modification. The goal is to choose future-proof technology that's sized appropriately to manage the expected future power levels. Since the current ZR1 and similar high-end cars run carbon-ceramic, I wanted to understand why.

On an interesting note, the McLaren P1 was built by Akebono using a carbon-ceramic "space rocket" material that has silicone carbide infused. LINK to Akebono

Just to clarify, "space rocket" material is probably code word for carbon-carbon composite that's made using carbon fiber and a phenolic resin that gets "cooked" into carbon. The silicone-carbide infusion process sure sounds like the tech Brembo and Surface Transforms are both touting. The main difference I'm seeing is how chopped the carbon fiber is. Long strands, whiskers, etc.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Shankenstein

Sorry for the slow reponse. I wanted to give you a clear answer.

I'm planning to keep this car for a long time (10+ years). As things break, car devalues, and my skill increases... I'll slowly convert this from a C Stock RTR --> STX --> Mod class monstrosity.

For now, I'm still learning how to drive (well), so Enkei RPF1 17x7 and Dunlop 215 ZII's are enough to challenge me this season. The stereo upgrades are currently being sorted out (LINK to build thread), so I'm on to the next zone of interest.

I see brakes and safety items as the next area for modification. The goal is to choose future-proof technology that's sized appropriately to manage the expected future power levels. Since the current ZR1 and similar high-end cars run carbon-ceramic, I wanted to understand why.

On an interesting note, the McLaren P1 was built by Akebono using a carbon-ceramic "space rocket" material that has silicone carbide infused. LINK to Akebono

Just to clarify, "space rocket" material is probably code word for carbon-carbon composite that's made using carbon fiber and a phenolic resin that gets "cooked" into carbon. The silicone-carbide infusion process sure sounds like the tech Brembo and Surface Transforms are both touting. The main difference I'm seeing is how chopped the carbon fiber is. Long strands, whiskers, etc.

Rigidity, the heat capacity, low rotational inertia, etc. are all packaged in a system that work in unison in a factory warrantied DOT legal super car. Brake systems flex with sufficient heat and carbon ceramic brakes give you that confidence when you hit the brakes. There are many upsides for carbon ceramic brakes, but there are also many downsides that you have to be willing to work with.

There's nothing wrong with carbon ceramic brakes. If you want these brakes, we can make it happen for you, but if you want something that's effective, then we will obviously steer you in a different direction before revisiting this modification. Keep in mind you will need to design tools to help you put on your wheels properly and develop a proper procedure to change brake pads, brake fluid, etc. Any sort of impact to carbon ceramic rotors may cause issues in the future.

Not sure if that answers any of your questions or curiosities.

[CatDaddysBBQ]

Anybody who would purchase brake rotors that cost 65% of the new car price is kind of a moron.

You don't need carbon ceramic brakes on a 200hp car, and those who are adding TONS more power have already spent more than a "reasonable" amount on the car, and won't bat an eye at having something custom made for them.

Plus, any track monster builds are probably cutting the weight down to 2300lbs anyways, FURTHER negating the nasty brakes. A 900hp, 3000+lb, 200+mph super car NEEDS some brakes that will not incinerate when hitting them at 180mph.

Our little sports car that struggles to clear 125mph will suffice with steel rotors (albeit nice aftermarket ones).