EPA Fuel ratings posted on fueleconomy.org

[quik1987]

About the same as a Honda Civic

[TylerD951]

Originally Posted by cyde01

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/21/s...up-on-epa-sit/

it's on autoblog now. bet they got it from this site again.

Well maybe Kelly did who is credited with the tip at the end of the article.

I think that getting better than 30 highway with the manual will be easy enough.

[86fanatic]

Now I'm more then ever interested in seeing a manual vs. automatic comparison test. Based on these numbers I think the gearing of the automatic might completely ruin the car.

[86'd]

Originally Posted by MrBRZ

Sucks. I'm getting the Prius C instead.

I lol'd.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Shift light? That can be changed by the driver. Not sure what you are talking about. You can shift before the light goes off.

I believe the reference is to the EPA testing methodology where they don't shift until the light comes on, not real-world.

[Subaruwrxfan]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Kinda hoping to see some crash-tests before May.

Yeah, me too. But being that this car was engineered by Subaru, who has a top-notch safety rating, I'm almost 100% confident that this car will get 5-star crash test ratings all around. Having 6 airbags should help a lot too.

[mankarn86]

Originally Posted by no_name

My issue is that the FRS and the Veloster Turbo are the two cars I'm considering, and the VT now has price, practicality and fuel economy in its favour. All the FR-S has left is RWD and I can't justify the purchase on that alone, tempting as it may be.

Totally different cars if you ask me. You shouldn't be surprised there, one is a sporty compact, the other is a sports car. The overall drive experience will be quite different. Not terrible numbers either for a "sports car", my buddy has a MS3 and he's getting RAPED on gas...not to mention STI owners, RX8 owners, WRX owners, etc. The civic SI is comparable mpg too.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan

Yeah, me too. But being that this car was engineered by Subaru, who has a top-notch safety rating, I'm almost 100% confident that this car will get 5-star crash test ratings all around. Having 6 airbags should help a lot too.

Yea, but iirc 05 legacy didn't fare well in initial testing due to improperly installed side airbags, which wasn't discovered before crash-tests.

[ubersoph]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I think with this much outrage over the EPA rating gap, Toyota/Subaru might be considering a revised gearbox for the next iteration.

Screw that, I want tight gearing and brisk acceleration. With longer gearing this car is going to lose some pep.

This is a sports car, not an economy car.

[Baldeagle]

1. Many of today’s newer autos are dual clutch, which means they are essentially manual transmissions shifted automatically. No more torque converters to increase drivetrain loss.

2. Almost every auto is geared lower on the highway than their automatic counterpart, which decreases pumping losses and increases fuel mileage.

3. With more gears spaced closer together, an automatic transmission can better manage its engine’s torque curve.

4. As already mentioned, it seems the EPA assumes manual transmission drivers use improper shift points (rev too high) for maximum city fuel mileage. The autos can be programmed to use lower shift points and therefore get better fuel mileage than the manual. Experience shows that an intelligent manual transmission driver can select ideal shift points and get the same if not superior MPG than an auto in the city.

5. A 7-speed manual transmission would probably suit our cars very well and make it more fuel efficient than the auto.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by no_name

My issue is that the FRS and the Veloster Turbo are the two cars I'm considering, and the VT now has price, practicality and fuel economy in its favour. All the FR-S has left is RWD and I can't justify the purchase on that alone, tempting as it may be.

I think you posted this exact same post in another thread...we get it, you have a hard-on for Hyundai's....

[Lonewolf]

I want to know the gearing for the auto and manual...makes me wonder how much of a penalty the auto will have in terms of acceleration due to the pronounced disparity in fuel economy numbers....

[no_name]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I think you posted this exact same post in another thread...we get it, you have a hard-on for Hyundai's....

No, I just like complaining about things on the Internet.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Too bad they couldn't put engine start-stop technology in to bump up the city rating... dunno how that would work with a manual trans, though.

Funny you mention start/stop because I was very glad this technology was not implemented into the FT86.

I've been in BMW's where, if you come to a stop and put the car in neutral, and take your foot off the clutch the engine stops. It restarts when you depress the clutch pedal again.

My thinking is this: If I want to shut off the engine while sitting, I can turn the key and do it myself. I wonder how others on the forum feel about this?