How much would a new Supra cost ?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

IIRC, people that who owns LFA will get the replacement for trading the wreck LFA. Of course, bout same price tag.

As bitter as that car makes me, I still hope no-one wrecks one...

But if they do I wonder how the official numbering will be. New car is #332A 'cause buddy wrecked #332, or if he gets #501. And if they get the same tech to put the new engine together as did the first one. May be a nightmare for the concours judges of the future figuring out provenance and such...

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

As bitter as that car makes me, I still hope no-one wrecks one...

But if they do I wonder how the official numbering will be. New car is #332A 'cause buddy wrecked #332, or if he gets #501. And if they get the same tech to put the new engine together as did the first one. May be a nightmare for the concours judges of the future figuring out provenance and such...

You know, I have no clue... My bet is adding letter next to it like your first example.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I'm pretty sure it's true... but I sure haven't see any F1 racer surviving for sure. Ayrton Senna would live to state that fact...

Are you mad? The first CF mono was used in F1 in 1984. It became mandatory to have the crash structures that way in 1997. The last death in F1 was in 1994. 16 years, and man there have been some spectactular crashes since then. I could look up a long list of drivers who have the CF safety cell/monocoque to thank for their lives.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

IIRC, people that who owns LFA will get the replacement for trading the wreck LFA. Of course, bout same price tag.

That's cool, I didn't hear about that. Though, I kinda doubt that it's true.

In any case, I think it'd depend on the crash. That's the reason why the LFA has an Aluminum front and rear crash structure, it is so that it can be repaired.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Are you mad? The first CF mono was used in F1 in 1984. It became mandatory to have the crash structures that way in 1997. The last death in F1 was in 1994. 16 years, and man there have been some spectactular crashes since then. I could look up a long list of drivers who have the CF safety cell/monocoque to thank for their lives.

You're right, Senna was last person who die in F1.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

That's cool, I didn't hear about that. Though, I kinda doubt that it's true.

In any case, I think it'd depend on the crash. That's the reason why the LFA has an Aluminum front and rear crash structure, it is so that it can be repaired.

You know, I can't say 100% on replacement either. Cuz I only heard it from my uncle. He's 2,000 times more knowledgeable on cars than me... but he could be wrong.

Having Aluminum or not, not gonna change anything. When it get into crash, CF will get bend/deform through the whole car. If it's a metal, that can be bend it back, but CF... yeah RIP on that cf. Yes, CF will take most of the shock/stress... but that shock gotta go somewhere, it'll not going disappears.

[Matador]

^ I know what you mean, but crash structures are designed to be crash structures.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

^ I know what you mean, but crash structures are designed to be crash structures.

Safety comes first before stiffer chassis... in good way

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

You're right, Senna was last person who die in F1.



You know, I can't say 100% on replacement either. Cuz I only heard it from my uncle. He's 2,000 times more knowledgeable on cars than me... but he could be wrong.

Having Aluminum or not, not gonna change anything. When it get into crash, CF will get bend/deform through the whole car. If it's a metal, that can be bend it back, but CF... yeah RIP on that cf. Yes, CF will take most of the shock/stress... but that shock gotta go somewhere, it'll not going disappears.

Aluminum doesn't like being bent back together. And it doesn't like being welded. Better for repair than CF, but still not repair-friendly.

As for the shock it disappears with the carbon fiber. When the fibers break they absorb the energy and it 'disappears'. Of course watching the F1 wrecks, so do the cars.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Aluminum doesn't like being bent back together. And it doesn't like being welded. Better for repair than CF, but still not repair-friendly.

As for the shock it disappears with the carbon fiber. When the fibers break they absorb the energy and it 'disappears'. Of course watching the F1 wrecks, so do the cars.

Yes, I know. I'm just saying that, CF has same concept as FG, it absorb more than FG... but it still break. On Aluminum side, it'll bend, but it can be bend it back together. Yes, it's pain to bend it back together, but it's possible... CF, not a chance.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yes, I know. I'm just saying that, CF has same concept as FG, it absorb more than FG... but it still break. On Aluminum side, it'll bend, but it can be bend it back together. Yes, it's pain to bend it back together, but it's possible... CF, not a chance.

Once aluminum bends past its plastic limit it no longer has the same strength structurally. Basically if the component is safety critical and ends up being bent to the point where it stays bent on its own past a certain %, it is garbage.

There are expensive costs in the quest for light weight parts.

If I were to build my mythical dream New Supra, I would stick with a steel monocoque for cost, repairability and strength, and use composite body panels.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Once aluminum bends past its plastic limit it no longer has the same strength structurally. Basically if the component is safety critical and ends up being bent to the point where it stays bent on its own past a certain %, it is garbage.

There are expensive costs in the quest for light weight parts.

If I were to build my mythical dream New Supra, I would stick with a steel monocoque for cost, repairability and strength, and use composite body panels.

Go with Carbon Nanotube Fiber...

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Go with Carbon Nanotube Fiber...

Let me check my wallet...

[70NYD]

lotus 25 for 1st monocoque yeah??
Al is good and easy to manufacture, also cheaper but weight vs how much it will take CF is better. wish i could afford some CNF

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Aluminum doesn't like being bent back together. And it doesn't like being welded. Better for repair than CF, but still not repair-friendly.

As for the shock it disappears with the carbon fiber. When the fibers break they absorb the energy and it 'disappears'. Of course watching the F1 wrecks, so do the cars.

Yup. The idea is if the car is in a front/rear collision, just remove and replace the Al structure. It's meant for light crashes, not heavy impact. In a big crash, the more important bit is safety, car be damned.

[ichitaka05]

Well this proves that CF still isn't safe enough

Lead Toyota Test Driver Killed in German Crash