Toyota's new car era

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Any source regarding the electric power steering be Toyota sourced?



Whose car is the chassis based off of?
Who did the prototype testing?
Which engine is the FA20 based off of?
Whose part bin is the suspension from?
Whose part bin are the brakes from?
Whose parts bin are the hubs based from?
Whose factory are the productions cars being built in?
Whose color palate are they using for the paint?

[old greg]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

For christ's sake, guys... Take the fanboi bickering outside.



A true modern-day FJ40 would be great, but there's no way Toyota would put a solid front axle on it. I could definitely see something with IFS, based on a shortened Tacoma chassis and running gear. Minimal overhangs, barebones/waterproof interior, factory rollbar, removable roof and fold-down windshield. Toyota could probably get the price down into the $18K range, which is pretty comfortably in Scion territory.

[switchlanez]

Does anyone think they're building an enthusiast car that is more entry level than the 86? And any of the Lexus concepts or MR2 Hybrid concept are not part of this joint venture, right?

[FRSDREAMER]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Does anyone think they're building an enthusiast car that is more entry level than the 86?

I think the 86 is as entry level as it gets.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Does anyone think they're building an enthusiast car that is more entry level than the 86? And any of the Lexus concepts or MR2 Hybrid concept are not part of this joint venture, right?

There was some talk from Tada-san about a ~100 hp, ~2000lb two seater. They even had a concept out, about a year before the FT86 MkI. The weird styling is a Yotahachi tribute.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by old greg

There was some talk from Tada-san about a ~100 hp, ~2000lb two seater. They even had a concept out, about a year before the FT86 MkI. The weird styling is a Yotahachi tribute.

a "miata fighter?!" I'll take 2!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

Originally Posted by old greg

For christ's sake, guys... Take the fanboi bickering outside.

Not a thread jack at all. Just stating the obvious in response to Bristecom's post. Subaru took care of the majority of the engineering aspect and Toyota took care of the majority of the exterior design. None of that is fanboyism. Just stating the truth. Only Toyota fanboys who can't handle it get all upset by those simple facts. Facts that can be verified by looking at the actual parts and where they come from.

I have yet to hear a Subaru fan complain that Toyota designed the exterior. All of us know Subaru would have made it ugly if they did it themselves. But mention that Subaru did most of the chassis, engine, suspension design on their own and the Toyota guys come out of nowhere and get all upset and have to defend Tadasan's character for some reason. Double standard if you ask me.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by FRSDREAMER

I think the 86 is as entry level as it gets.

indeed

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Not a thread jack at all. Just stating the obvious in response to Bristecom's post. Subaru took care of the majority of the engineering aspect and Toyota took care of the majority of the exterior design. None of that is fanboyism. Just stating the truth. Only Toyota fanboys who can't handle it get all upset by those simple facts. Facts that can be verified by looking at the actual parts and where they come from.

I have yet to hear a Subaru fan complain that Toyota designed the exterior. All of us know Subaru would have made it ugly if they did it themselves. But mention that Subaru did most of the chassis, engine, suspension design on their own and the Toyota guys come out of nowhere and get all upset and have to defend Tadasan's character for some reason. Double standard if you ask me.

I don't care either way pop the hood on both, and you see

Toyota
D4S
BOXER
Subaru

That's all I need to know, it's a joint venture, who cares who did what?

[old greg]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Not a thread jack at all... But mention that Subaru did most of the chassis, engine, suspension design on their own and the Toyota guys come out of nowhere and get all upset and have to defend Tadasan's character for some reason.

Exactly. You know it's going to stir up trouble, so by continuing to rehash it you are consciously and willing causing the thread to be hijacked. Stop.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

I don't care either way pop the hood on both, and you see

Toyota
D4S
BOXER
Subaru

That's all I need to know, it's a joint venture, who cares who did what?

I agree that it was a joint venture and the final product will speak for itself. You should care about who did what for the design just as much as you care Tadasan was involved in the project. It gives further testament and information regarding the car you want to buy.

[Stryker Trailwood]

I couldn't care less about who actually did what with the BRZ/86/FR-S.

Originally Posted by KaliKev

Why? The scion I invision would have the same number of vehicles on the line. I would take away the XB and XD, those cars are ruining the brand. The IQ must stay but add a manual transmission

in the brand idea you have made up they do ruin the idea of sport enthusiast, but they don't ruin the brand as it actually is.
IMO they did take a big step down with the 2nd gen xB and more of a lateral move with the xD, but they would never give up the xB, they will most likely always have their quirky 4 door.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by old greg

Exactly. You know it's going to stir up trouble, so by continuing to rehash it you are consciously and willing causing the thread to be hijacked. Stop.

We can discuss this without getting all hot. Mr Jay made a valid point and I was responding to a poorly worded post by Bristecom who worded such that no credit was given to Subaru in the process. I corrected that by providing truthful and objective info. Not some personal opinion.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by FRSDREAMER

I think the 86 is as entry level as it gets.

I'm not one to spread misinformation but I do recall reading a facebook status from Moto (Moto-P who has been getting info on the 86 prior to embargo lifts) that there is an enthusiast car coming that will be more entry-level than the FR-S. This was several months ago. I understood that to be the iQ at the time but Moto didn't specify so maybe he was referring to something else.

I also remember reading somewhere (on this forum?) that there will be one upper level and one lower level car with the 86 sitting in the middle.