BRZ and FR-S Sales Numbers Thread

[thill]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Scion/Toyota sold 1,040 FR-S's in February.
http://wardsauto.com/sales-amp-marketing/prius-fleet-decline-sink-toyota-sales-february

Subaru sold 617 BRZ's.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...248195201.html

At some point we may see BRZ sales surpass FR-S sales on a given month..

I am surprised BRZ sales are up so high year over year factoring in this brutal winter, but the volume is still low.

[rice_classic]

The demand for the BRZ is the same (maybe more) than the FRS but the supply is less so it makes sense that the BRZ sales are still good despite the recent unfortunate winter weather.

However there is no lack of supply for the FRS and they moved at greater numbers since birth vs the BRZ but I think the sales of a rwd sports car naturally would slump in the two months half the country was literally "taken by storm".

I wonder too, considering the options (or lack thereof), how much the $25k price tag plays into this as well.

[MysteryMachine]

Originally Posted by gutbomb

That's a myth. The cars with the highest insurance rates tend to have two seats but that's not because of the seats. It's because most of the cars with the highest value are very expensive supercars that just so happen to have two seats. The number of seats, color, or number of doors has absolutely no bearing on what an insurance company will charge you to insure your car.

The only car I've ever heard of where the seats affect the insurance rates is the Honda S2000 and that's not because of the number of seats, it's because of the price of the seats and their status as a desirable theft target. Seriously, the seats are so expensive and so easy to steal.

Its not a myth... I looked at the 350Z back in 2002 when it came out and the Infiniti version which was the same except for a back seat and the infiniti was way cheaper insurance.

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[regal]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Same could have been said about Toyota for much longer than Honda, till the 86. Subaru wasn't going to do it without significant prodding either.

For all of the 2000's, the ONLY Japanese company making reasonably affordable sports coups besides Mazda (okay, the mx- 5 is a convertible) was Honda. Nissan was building muscle cars, effectively & definitely expensive.

Then Toyota got some sense & here we are. Who's to say Honda won't see how smart Toyota was & follow suit & return to their senses as well.

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I don't agree with this at all first the Elise, the ultimate sports car was basically a toyota with a lotus chasis/Toyota powertrain (in 2005 about same new price as the S2K) and we had the Toyota MRS. A 22000 lbs wonder of engineering with a lucky few tossing the Toyota/Celeca/Lotus/Matrix 2ZZ in it to own a 5 second 2200 lb Toyota sports car for well under $15 grand. And a 2ZZ MRS is a true sports car not an over weight underpowered semi GT. sports cars were always sold to be modified.

If we want to take things further if you could find a nice S14/S15, for $3k you could import a SR20DET front end and have one hell of a car.

The 2000's Honda offered an over weight over priced engineered luxury convertible. The examples in the paragraphs above were what the true sports car drivers were doing. I even prefer a plain stock MR-S over the S2k and new/stock means little.

Honda performance died in 1999 with he the DC2/Civic Si and the platform's double-wishbone suspension.

[Zed]

Originally Posted by regal

... Toyota MRS. A 22000 lbs wonder of engineering ...

Tankyota

[regal]

Originally Posted by Zed

Tankyota

Have you seen how they hold their value?Tough to find a good deal on one thats been taken care of, the drive/zip around like a sports car should.

[TRev]

I never expected Hyundai to come out with a RWD sports coupe and they didn't do half bad with the Genesis other than its size and crap gearbox...at least the 2.0 as it is well balanced. Hopefully they will get serious about the PassoCorto concept and learn from the Genesis Coupe's shortfalls!

[regal]

Originally Posted by TRev

I never expected Hyundai to come out with a RWD sports coupe and they didn't do half bad with the Genesis other than its size and crap gearbox...at least the 2.0 as it is well balanced. Hopefully they will get serious about the PassoCorto concept and learn from the Genesis Coupe's shortfalls!

Are the new Hyundai's serviceable . In the 90's they were in layman' all one piece, for example I had a 90's Hyundai that needed new what I would call rotors but you had to replace the entire hub and axle, more than the car was worth, basically a throw away car. I don't know if Hyundai's are still like that?

The thing I always liked about Honda and Toyota was access/serviceability. Also much better than German cars in that regard.

Basic terms the Japanese cars came apart in separate, so you only had to replace the bad part. German cars you would have to buy tools too expensive to do the job yourself.

Just looking at the FRZ fairly looks straightfoward to work on, only isssue is pulling the engine for some things but its a much easier pull than fwd cars. The Di looks to be the biggest PITA.

[Zed]

Originally Posted by regal

Have you seen how they hold their value?Tough to find a good deal on one thats been taken care of, the drive/zip around like a sports car should.

No offense meant, they are definitely a dying (dead?!?) breed of amazing cars. Just found the typo and idea of a 22,000 lb Toyota hilarious

[regal]

Originally Posted by Zed

No offense meant, they are definitely a dying (dead?!?) breed of amazing cars. Just found the typo and idea of a 22,000 lb Toyota hilarious

Yea I fixed it I hope that subsequent poster didn't take it literally

[Vincenttam]

Originally Posted by Enilder

Within a month, FRS sold for that much more than BRZ? Is FRS being produced at a higher rate than BRZ?

Yea, i think they produced 3x as much for the fr-s in 2012/13. There was a whole thing on jalopnik about limit amounts for the first batch.

[imag]

It is interesting the BRZ sales are still going up year over year while the FR-S sales are going down. I can think of a couple possible reasons for that:

- More Subaru dealership traffic
- More mature buyers as sales stabilize - leads to more sales of the more expensive version over the entry level

Any other ideas?

[AtlasMick]

Wasted some time and made these charts because I was interested in seeing if there were any obvious things going on. It looks like their sales are pretty steady, with perhaps of late an increase in BRZ sales and a decline in FRS, but it may just be that there was a surge in sales in the summer and this is coming off that surge.

This is based off of the OP's figures. So thank you very much for the data OP!

[reni]

Originally Posted by imag

It is interesting the BRZ sales are still going up year over year while the FR-S sales are going down. I can think of a couple possible reasons for that:

- More Subaru dealership traffic
- More mature buyers as sales stabilize - leads to more sales of the more expensive version over the entry level

Any other ideas?

Because of the "Pure Pricing" BS, Subaru dealers can be a bit more flexible on pricing these days, so more buyers are opting to go for a better-equipped car for around the same money. Whereas when the cars first hit the showrooms everyone was paying MSRP or close to it, so the Scion would have been consistently cheaper.