OpenFlash Tablet

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by vgi

@StormTrooper tactrix with EcuFlahs works and as far as I'm aware the EcuFlahs is pretty much just 'staging' at this point. The flashing time is about 1 min, definitely under 2 mins.
however how does it help to OFT users? They don't have tactrix cable, they paid 500 for the OFT. Or you expect the OFT users or maybe tuners like @jamesm and @nelsmar to buy tactrix cable?
@jamesm @nelsmar guys, i really don't think you're handling it right. You are NOT Shiv's customers and you can't demand answers from him.
you should however be honest with YOUR customers though and basically tell them that at this point considering OFT limitation they have a choice of either switching to a different tuning solution or pay more money for the dyno tuning due to time required to flash the rom.
As for tuning on the road, the OFT supports 5 tunes on the device. Just tell your customers what the test drive scenario (eg, make 20 mins log files with minimum throttle change for steady speeds at 15, 50, 75 excluding stops; or WOT puls on even road from 3k rpm on 4th gear) and let them get the logs for you for each of those 5 tunes.
basically, what I'm trying to say offer your customer either switch to a different tuning solution or let THEM deal with the OFT limitations or bug Shiv about those limitaions.

^^^imo anyway

i didn't demand an answer from anyone. frankly i don't care, i tune 90+% turbo cars that i can't use OFT for anyway. i was just stating my opinion that i think shiv's response to nels was uncalled for. it was a valid concern for someone who tunes on OFT as much as he does.

personally i love the idea of tuning for OFT once the logging is there. it does nothing but help me tune more cars. i'm an ecutek guy for sure, but i'm more than happy to work with OFT within the constraints of it's limitations. it's perfectly suitable for a large percentage of the market, and i'd like to tune them, too . it's just true that for a dyno tune, currently, ecutek is probably much cheaper OTD. and i don't believe fuel trims are an adequate way to compensate for fuel density, nor will i let a turbo customer leave without a boost cut, and of course logging at this point is pretty much useless for tuning larger injectors and what not. those are just my opinions, the areas i think OFT could be improved to suit more customers. it's not bashing, it's just acknowledging limitations (which seems to be a no-no on this forum).

it would be far more constructive to listen to tuners who say 'this is what we need to be able to recommend your platform to more people' rather than attack them over it. working together rather than against one another, so to speak. the response shiv gave nels to his inquiry was not encouraging, to say the least.

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All this talk of Baking.....I want Brownies now!

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by jamesm

i didn't demand an answer from anyone. frankly i don't care, i tune 90+% turbo cars that i can't use OFT for anyway. i was just stating my opinion that i think shiv's response to nels was uncalled for. it was a valid concern for someone who tunes on OFT as much as he does.

I don't believe my response was uncalled for. Perhaps you just aren't fully aware of the history here. At the end of the day, we are all human and don't like being mistreated or misrepresented. In real life or on the forums. On that note, let's bury this and get back on topic.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't believe my response was uncalled for. Perhaps you just aren't fully aware of the history here. At the end of the day, we are all human and don't like being mistreated or misrepresented. In real life or on the forums. On that note, let's bury this and get back on topic.

that's fine, i don't mean to start a war with anyone. i just think that regardless you should be supportive of people who frankly are only trying to advance your platform. selectively choosing who to be supportive of based on whatever prior interaction you've had is not good business. i work with lots of assholes, but i support them because they're productive assholes . the fact of the matter is nels is doing more tuning on oft than anyone outside of, well, you. you should care what he thinks, consider suggestions etc regardless of whether or not you like him on a personal level.

it's discouraging to think that as a tuner i have to be in your personal good graces to receive support if i run into an issue or have a suggestion.

enough of that... back to the topic at hand.

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Originally Posted by jamesm

that's fine, i don't mean to start a war with anyone. i just think that regardless you should be supportive of people who frankly are only trying to advance your platform. selectively choosing who to be supportive of based on whatever prior interaction you've had is not good business. i work with lots of assholes, but i support them because they're productive assholes . the fact of the matter is nels is doing more tuning on oft than anyone outside of, well, you. you should care what he thinks, consider suggestions etc regardless of whether or not you like him on a personal level.

it's discouraging to think that as a tuner i have to be in your personal good graces to receive support if i run into an issue or have a suggestion.

enough of that... back to the topic at hand.

I don't think its a matter of good graces as much as common decency. If your going to be obscene one minute and then call and act like "Hey buddy hows it going, can I help you with that?" the next.... Frankly as a small business owner and a person I am going to chuckle.

[AdrianG]

I'm having a problem with the new version. I've upgraded to 1.23, applied the SLT file, but when I go to log I get an error every time. I checked the logging channels and 12 are enabled, if i try to enable another one I get a notice saying I can only log 12 at a time. When I go back and try to log I get an error.

I've checked for updates and applied the SLT a few times now, no change. I'm using OF Manager 1.07 and my device says 1.23.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by AdrianG

I'm having a problem with the new version. I've upgraded to 1.23, applied the SLT file, but when I go to log I get an error every time. I checked the logging channels and 12 are enabled, if i try to enable another one I get a notice saying I can only log 12 at a time. When I go back and try to log I get an error.

I've checked for updates and applied the SLT a few times now, no change. I'm using OF Manager 1.07 and my device says 1.23.

I've seen a communication error from time to time but it's pretty rare. This happens every time you try to view data? What if you deselect all the channels and just enable one channel like Engine Speed? Same problem?

[regal]

[/quote]Would this work for the dyno guys?

1 - Flash the OFT car back to stock if it isn't already
2 - Take the starting point (probably shiv's OTS map?), make whatever edits and flash with Ecuflash
3 - Dyno, wash, rinse, repeat until you're happy with the tune (flashing with EcuFlash)
4 - Save the ROM and flash back to stock
5 - Load the tune on the OFT and flash it back to the car after you take it off the dyno

You can log an OFT tune with OP2, or you can log with OFT even if you aren't currently using it to flash.

This means that @nelsmar and @jamesm just need to buy an OP2 to use on the dyno and their customers can continue using their OFT once you're done with the dyno.

I have an OFT and OP2, right now having both is pretty great but since I don't dyno tune and logging on OFT is improving the OP2 is becoming less important to me. At least I'll always have it for the logging and for tuning my other Subarus.[/quote]


So $1200 to $1500 all together with the dyno time,OFT, OP2 rental. Am I in the ballpark?

[AdrianG]

What I'm suggesting is that nelsmar or jamesm use the OP2 for flashing on the dyno. you can use the OP2 on multiple cars, they only need to buy it once for $169 and they can use it with all their OFT customers.

[AdrianG]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I've seen a communication error from time to time but it's pretty rare. This happens every time you try to view data? What if you deselect all the channels and just enable one channel like Engine Speed? Same problem?

Happened all 4 times that I tried. I'll try disabling all but one channel and see if that helps, but I thought the whole point is we could now log more than 12 channels?

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by AdrianG

Happened all 4 times that I tried. I'll try disabling all but one channel and see if that helps, but I thought the whole point is we could now log more than 12 channels?

Nope... max limit is 12 channels. The point of the new update was to introduce a larger list of channels to choose from. Logging more channels would start to slow down the sample rate and add a layer of complexity to things. Not to mention being much harder to read on the OFT screen.

[regal]

Originally Posted by AdrianG

What I'm suggesting is that nelsmar or jamesm use the OP2 for flashing on the dyno. you can use the OP2 on multiple cars, they only need to buy it once for $169 and they can use it with all their OFT customers.

M\That makes more sense thanks. On another PM sent?

[AdrianG]

Here's a more general question then... What sample rate do you guys feel is acceptable for tuning? With my OP2 I am logging ~30 parameters and getting fresh values every 0.05 of a second, which to me seems more than acceptable.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by AdrianG

Here's a more general question then... What sample rate do you guys feel is acceptable for tuning? With my OP2 I am logging ~30 parameters and getting fresh values every hundredth of a second, which to me seems more than acceptable.

i think anything over 10 samples per second is good for most kinds of tuning. We settled at ~13 somewhat arbitrarily and it works well. Logging more than 12 channels is certainly doable. I just question the need for it as a tuner. At this point, we are focusing more on display options (quick glance digital boost/afr/knock gauge for instance). Thing that tuners and users would find more useful on a day to day basis.

Shiv