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Old 03-14-2012, 10:13 AM   #71
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merged all the PDFs together to make the reading easier.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6856876/BRZ_Manual.pdf
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More notes as I go along. I should compile these...

No towing. Which kind of makes sense. It's a low power car with a light body structure. Also the rear valence looks like it's be a PITA to get a hitch reciever to mount underneath. However, I'm sure the hitch companies will come up with one, and I'm sure a light race trailer for tires and tools would be just fine behind the BRZ.

Accessory power socket IN the glove box. Cool.

Two securing points for the Driver's floor mat. Nice. Though I don't think it'd pass an SCCA tech inspection. But that's no biggie. I hope Subaru has all-weather mats available by winter.

Replacing the cabin air filter doesn't require removing a ton of screws or complete disassembly of the center console and lower dash.

4 fuses just for the headlights; one for each mode of each side.

Rear fog light does not appear to be hooked up in the North American model. Hopefully the reflector is still present so it's just a matter of sourcing the socket and running some wires.

89ft-lb for the lug nuts. Interesting. Imprezas are only 70-72.

5.8qts! In that shallow little oilpan! I have no idea how they fit it all without the crank hitting the oil. Also, this means I have to buy a 6th qt when I do oil changes. With they had kept it at 4.8-5qt like the turbo EJs.

0W-20.. Freakin' water. Well, during the warranty it'll get the bottled water. After, I'll bump up to 5w-30.

The manual trans uses real gear oil, not "Manual Transmission Fluid." Good.

The 13gal tank is bigger than I figured it would have. But I hope I can still hit the same gas stations on my usual trips. I'll have to average over 35mpg. I think it's possible...

Very cool. Some good surprises, and some odd ones. Can't wait for this car!
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:49 AM   #73
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All I saw was the 0W-20 specification. Nothing else much on the oil, unless I skipped over it on accident. Obviously they want you to use "genuine Subaru oil".
I believe all 0W-20 is synthetic. I've never seen conventional 0W-20.
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89ft-lb for the lug nuts. Interesting. Imprezas are only 70-72.

5.8qts! In that shallow little oilpan! I have no idea how they fit it all without the crank hitting the oil. Also, this means I have to buy a 6th qt when I do oil changes. With they had kept it at 4.8-5qt like the turbo EJs.

0W-20.. Freakin' water. Well, during the warranty it'll get the bottled water. After, I'll bump up to 5w-30.

The manual trans uses real gear oil, not "Manual Transmission Fluid." Good.
You have some interesting perspective. 89 LbFt for lugs is pretty normal. Be thankful they're not 14x1.25mm threads like on current BMWs as those are 110 LbFt, or the brass wheel nuts on classic Rolls Royce at only 40 LbFt.

The more oil the better for track days, as that means more passages and more potential for having a factory oil cooler in some reasonable capacity.

0W-20 is perfect for most daily driving; quick lubrication in cold weather and cold starts, and low drag during normal running for good fuel economy. The only reason you'd go thicker weight is for heavy track work/actual racing, you don't cold-start your engine [a la Formula1], don't care about fuel economy, or you have more operational data and UOA than BITOG and Subaru/Toyota combined.

Frankly I'm disappointed the trans uses thick maple syrup, especially since Toyota/Subaru have been claiming good fuel economy this whole gestation period. Going with an MTF may significantly improve shift quality and operational efficiency, however the trade-off may be increased wear, depending on gear finishes and sync cone quality.
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No towing. Which kind of makes sense. It's a low power car with a light body structure. Also the rear valence looks like it's be a PITA to get a hitch reciever to mount underneath. However, I'm sure the hitch companies will come up with one, and I'm sure a light race trailer for tires and tools would be just fine behind the BRZ.
Yeah, I'll have a hitch on mine soon I'm sure. My ITR has the same disclaimer, people have towed cars with ITRs before :P

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Accessory power socket IN the glove box. Cool.
Yeah I saw that too. Very useful!

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Two securing points for the Driver's floor mat. Nice. Though I don't think it'd pass an SCCA tech inspection. But that's no biggie. I hope Subaru has all-weather mats available by winter.
Shouldn't be legal, however I love the clip method they use. Turn and remove, much better than the annoying hooks you have to force the mat over.

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4 fuses just for the headlights; one for each mode of each side.
All of my hondas are like that too.. that's not normal? Damn it's been way too long since I've owned non-hondas :P

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89ft-lb for the lug nuts. Interesting. Imprezas are only 70-72.
I noticed that also. I'll have to change my normal mental 85 ftlb setting to 90.

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5.8qts! In that shallow little oilpan! I have no idea how they fit it all without the crank hitting the oil. Also, this means I have to buy a 6th qt when I do oil changes. With they had kept it at 4.8-5qt like the turbo EJs.

0W-20.. Freakin' water. Well, during the warranty it'll get the bottled water. After, I'll bump up to 5w-30.
Same. All of my cars are 4.9-5.1, so yeah, extra oil. Good and bad. 0w-20 = better fuel economy. If the clearances are proper it should protect fine. I'll be doing UOAs on it though and adjusting as suggested by the labs.

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The manual trans uses real gear oil, not "Manual Transmission Fluid." Good.
I actually wish it was MTF. I used regular MTF is my other AZ6 trans. I've messed with so many MTFs I finally know what I like now I have to start over again. I had good luck with Lubrication Engineers Almasol gear oil in diffs before but I'm guessing some of us DIYers/geeks will be doing a bunch of testing on gear oils in this car too..
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I believe all 0W-20 is synthetic. I've never seen conventional 0W-20.
Any 0W is fully synthetic, which is why the manual doesn't bother to mention it. Impossible to have a dino 0W oil as far as I know.
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I think he was little inexperienced with driving the manual. But I agree it is nice they are ditching hill assist. Or at least if it can be disabled...

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Thats good news! I was fearful of that nanny in the car. Do you trust that your dealer/driver would have recognized/utilized the feature or that he was just inexperienced with manuals?
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:13 AM   #78
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People have been saying there would be hill hold but no word of that in the manual. I guess there isn't going to be one then? The manual instead tells you to use the parking brake when starting on a hill.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:15 AM   #79
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You have some interesting perspective. 89 LbFt for lugs is pretty normal. Be thankful they're not 14x1.25mm threads like on current BMWs as those are 110 LbFt, or the brass wheel nuts on classic Rolls Royce at only 40 LbFt.
Yeah, I RallyX my WRX with the lugs at 72ft-lbs without issue. I'll need to remember this when I swap tires on the BRZ.

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The more oil the better for track days, as that means more passages and more potential for having a factory oil cooler in some reasonable capacity.
I'm all for more oil. But have you see how shallow the oil pan is?

FA20:


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Makes me wonder how an additional quart won't put the crank in contact with the oil in the pan. Especially when the turbo engines keep a half quart in the turbo oil lines. Must be some engineering wizardry.

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0W-20 is perfect for most daily driving; quick lubrication in cold weather and cold starts, and low drag during normal running for good fuel economy. The only reason you'd go thicker weight is for heavy track work/actual racing, you don't cold-start your engine [a la Formula1], don't care about fuel economy, or you have more operational data and UOA than BITOG and Subaru/Toyota combined.
Since I want to AutoX my BRZ occasionally, it does worry me. Though I could just do my oil changes with Red Line 0W-20. It'll just be a bit more expensive.

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Frankly I'm disappointed the trans uses thick maple syrup, especially since Toyota/Subaru have been claiming good fuel economy this whole gestation period. Going with an MTF may significantly improve shift quality and operational efficiency, however the trade-off may be increased wear, depending on gear finishes and sync cone quality.
After racing with both Extra S and Motul 300, I'm glad the transmission uses actual gear oil rather than relabeled ATF. For someone who never AutoXes or races, MTF would be fine. But I'd rather give up a little bit of mileage for better transmission longevity. Especially if it's as lightly built inside as the Japanese translation makes it out to be.
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After racing with both Extra S and Motul 300, I'm glad the transmission uses actual gear oil rather than relabeled ATF. For someone who never AutoXes or races, MTF would be fine. But I'd rather give up a little bit of mileage for better transmission longevity. Especially if it's as lightly built inside as the Japanese translation makes it out to be.
S2000 guys autocross and track and use MTF in their AZ6 transmissions. I'd greatly prefer MTF. Did Subaru/Toyota really spec the cheapest synchro cones available?

I'll use what they suggest but I am curious as to their reasoning.

Even cars that require gear oil you can run other oils in (and I have in race cars before without issue), it's just noisy and if the components are junk, it'll shorten the lifespan.

I guess I will have to research gear oils now though.
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Anyone find the hidden price yet in the manual.
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So who's gonna be balsy and use their work printer for this? If only I still worked at my old office hahaha.
I'll do it.

Then I'll put the manual into my glove box of my Civic and pretend I'm driving a BRZ to work.

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Since I want to AutoX my BRZ occasionally, it does worry me. Though I could just do my oil changes with Red Line 0W-20. It'll just be a bit more expensive.
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FWIW, Auto-X is about as tough on the car as someone tying together a few fun on-ramps. It's not rough on the car like HPDEs, let alone endurance racing [i.e. The Nurburgring race the Gazoo FT86 competed in].
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Anyone find the hidden price yet in the manual.
Not so far... I'm still reading...
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