P&L Motorsports + (Perrin OR Invidia Q300 OR ?) = quieter? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

dp1 · 02-20-2014, 02:19 PM

Looking at full exhaust setup that will be:
- as quiet as possible on the street at <4k RPM and <90db WOT on track
- no drone
- pass emissions and gain power across most of the power band
- used on the street most of the time and on track several days per year

Combined with JR SC and dyno tune.

Does this work:
P&L Motorsports Equal Length Header w/catalytic converter
P&L Motorsports Overpipe
P&L Motorsports Front Pipe w/catalytic converter
Perrin 2.5" Resonated Cat-Back Exhaust System

If we leave the three P&L components in place, what other quality exhaust would be quiet(er)?

FrsDuke · 02-20-2014, 02:23 PM

Stock catback. If you really gotta spend money on the cat back I think everyone who's heard it agrees the q300 is outstanding for civil volume and quality sound, but I dunno if it adds any power or saves any weight. I doubt it does.

FrsDuke · 02-20-2014, 02:45 PM

My nameless header is being fabbed right now. I will probably eventually get an OP/FP from them as well. Right now I'm all stock with a track pipe. Plan is eventually nameless header/op/fp and stock cat back for street and maybe track pipe for track subject to db restrictions. I may get some tips, but the stock tips painted black is fine. I'm like you I want it civil for dd and effective for track.

The cat back is the least restrictive part of the exhaust, but most effective for sound.

jamesm · 02-20-2014, 02:51 PM

Turbo makes a great muffler.

dp1 · 02-20-2014, 02:54 PM

What would be the order quietest-to-loudest for these exhausts:
Stock
Invidia Q300
Perrin 2.5" Resonated

FrsDuke · 02-20-2014, 02:58 PM

Think you have the right order. Basically start at the front and move back. When you are happy with the sound stop

dp1 · 02-20-2014, 03:33 PM

Leaning towards Invidia Q300...would like to keep the stock muffler but apparently it sounds pretty bad when upstream components are opened up.

Thoughts?

Looking for quietest aftermarket exhaust that would work with:
P&L Motorsports Equal Length Header w/catalytic converter
P&L Motorsports Overpipe
P&L Motorsports Front Pipe w/catalytic converter

FrsDuke · 02-20-2014, 03:51 PM

Dunno if I've heard stock cat back with aftermarket goodies up front. Gimme a few weeks and I'll have header plus stock header back knowledge. Lots of folks love the Perrin lots of folks love the q300. Can't go wrong with either for sound, but having heard the q300 in person it would be my choice. It was even quiet outside the car unless you were behind it.

Regardless of which you land on you want to mod from front to back to have the best gains/$ and knowledge about the sound. How much is the p&l op + fp? The nameless combo is a damned nice piece and may even cost less given it is a single piece.

wparsons · 02-20-2014, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dp1

Leaning towards Invidia Q300...would like to keep the stock muffler but apparently it sounds pretty bad when upstream components are opened up.

Thoughts?

Looking for quietest aftermarket exhaust that would work with:
P&L Motorsports Equal Length Header w/catalytic converter
P&L Motorsports Overpipe
P&L Motorsports Front Pipe w/catalytic converter

You can hear the stock header/overpipe, Perrin 2.5" catted frontpipe and stock cat back here (and also the same but with 2.5" resonated cat back):

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkxBozcGtgg"]Scion FR-S Stock vs Perrin exhaust. - YouTube[/ame]

dp1 · 02-20-2014, 04:04 PM

Thank you, that's a pretty good sound imho. Any drone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons

You can hear the stock header/overpipe, Perrin 2.5" catted frontpipe and stock cat back here (and also the same but with 2.5" resonated cat back):

dp1 · 02-20-2014, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrsDuke

...How much is the p&l op + fp? The nameless combo is a damned nice piece and may even cost less given it is a single piece...

http://pandlmotorsports.com/shop/pl-...4-1-header-na/
http://pandlmotorsports.com/shop/pl-...-2-5-overpipe/
http://pandlmotorsports.com/shop/pl-...-s-front-pipe/

FrsDuke · 02-20-2014, 04:18 PM

http://shop.namelessperformance.com/...aces-overpipe/

With cat 499, $399 without. Save ya $. It's a straighter design as well which should flow better.

P&L Motorsports · 02-20-2014, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrsDuke

Regardless of which you land on you want to mod from front to back to have the best gains/$ and knowledge about the sound. How much is the p&l op + fp? The nameless combo is a damned nice piece and may even cost less given it is a single piece.

The Front Pipe and Overpipe are $479.98 with a catless front pipe, if you would like catted it is an extra $100.00

Plus 5% off to forum members

Thanks,
Kathy
kathy@pandlmotorsports.com

wparsons · 02-20-2014, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dp1

Thank you, that's a pretty good sound imho. Any drone?

Zero drone. Adding a header will definitely make it louder, especially if it's catless.

02-20-2014, 02:19 PM	#1
dp1 driving smoother faster Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: Sold Location: Some Posts: 990 Thanks: 630 Thanked 471 Times in 286 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	P&L Motorsports + (Perrin OR Invidia Q300 OR ?) = quieter? Looking at full exhaust setup that will be: - as quiet as possible on the street at <4k RPM and <90db WOT on track - no drone - pass emissions and gain power across most of the power band - used on the street most of the time and on track several days per year Combined with JR SC and dyno tune. Does this work: P&L Motorsports Equal Length Header w/catalytic converter P&L Motorsports Overpipe P&L Motorsports Front Pipe w/catalytic converter Perrin 2.5" Resonated Cat-Back Exhaust System If we leave the three P&L components in place, what other quality exhaust would be quiet(er)? Last edited by dp1; 02-21-2014 at 12:02 AM.

02-20-2014, 02:23 PM	#2
FrsDuke Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 2013 ultramarine frs Location: Tx Posts: 612 Thanks: 242 Thanked 337 Times in 203 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Stock catback. If you really gotta spend money on the cat back I think everyone who's heard it agrees the q300 is outstanding for civil volume and quality sound, but I dunno if it adds any power or saves any weight. I doubt it does. __________________ I'm done helping those who won't help themselves. TL;DR: -Duke Last edited by FrsDuke; 02-20-2014 at 02:48 PM.

02-20-2014, 02:45 PM	#3
FrsDuke Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 2013 ultramarine frs Location: Tx Posts: 612 Thanks: 242 Thanked 337 Times in 203 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	My nameless header is being fabbed right now. I will probably eventually get an OP/FP from them as well. Right now I'm all stock with a track pipe. Plan is eventually nameless header/op/fp and stock cat back for street and maybe track pipe for track subject to db restrictions. I may get some tips, but the stock tips painted black is fine. I'm like you I want it civil for dd and effective for track. The cat back is the least restrictive part of the exhaust, but most effective for sound. __________________ I'm done helping those who won't help themselves. TL;DR: -Duke

02-20-2014, 02:58 PM	#6
FrsDuke Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 2013 ultramarine frs Location: Tx Posts: 612 Thanks: 242 Thanked 337 Times in 203 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Think you have the right order. Basically start at the front and move back. When you are happy with the sound stop __________________ I'm done helping those who won't help themselves. TL;DR: -Duke

02-20-2014, 03:51 PM	#8
FrsDuke Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 2013 ultramarine frs Location: Tx Posts: 612 Thanks: 242 Thanked 337 Times in 203 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dunno if I've heard stock cat back with aftermarket goodies up front. Gimme a few weeks and I'll have header plus stock header back knowledge. Lots of folks love the Perrin lots of folks love the q300. Can't go wrong with either for sound, but having heard the q300 in person it would be my choice. It was even quiet outside the car unless you were behind it. Regardless of which you land on you want to mod from front to back to have the best gains/$ and knowledge about the sound. How much is the p&l op + fp? The nameless combo is a damned nice piece and may even cost less given it is a single piece. __________________ I'm done helping those who won't help themselves. TL;DR: -Duke

02-20-2014, 02:51 PM	#4
jamesm Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,929 Thanks: 1,166 Thanked 2,293 Times in 1,180 Posts Mentioned: 313 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	Turbo makes a great muffler.

02-20-2014, 02:54 PM	#5
dp1 driving smoother faster Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: Sold Location: Some Posts: 990 Thanks: 630 Thanked 471 Times in 286 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What would be the order quietest-to-loudest for these exhausts: Stock Invidia Q300 Perrin 2.5" Resonated

02-20-2014, 03:33 PM	#7
dp1 driving smoother faster Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: Sold Location: Some Posts: 990 Thanks: 630 Thanked 471 Times in 286 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Leaning towards Invidia Q300...would like to keep the stock muffler but apparently it sounds pretty bad when upstream components are opened up. Thoughts? Looking for quietest aftermarket exhaust that would work with: P&L Motorsports Equal Length Header w/catalytic converter P&L Motorsports Overpipe P&L Motorsports Front Pipe w/catalytic converter

02-20-2014, 04:18 PM	#12
FrsDuke Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 2013 ultramarine frs Location: Tx Posts: 612 Thanks: 242 Thanked 337 Times in 203 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	http://shop.namelessperformance.com/...aces-overpipe/ With cat 499, $399 without. Save ya $. It's a straighter design as well which should flow better. __________________ I'm done helping those who won't help themselves. TL;DR: -Duke

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