Nameless Performance Equal Length Stepped Header

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

I guess in another 4 weeks we will start to see actual real world dynos as these start hitting the first round of customers.

The truth will definitely reveal itself on this forum as the past has shown us.

[Shneegle]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Just 1 and 3 please. Run the car on the dyno, bolt header on, run the car on the dyno again. Leave the tuning out of the equation. I wasn't under the impression Nameless was in the tune selling business, so I don't really care about their tuned results.

As soon as I get mine ill be doing both of those and then tuning it. That's hoping that it gets here this month otherwise I gotta wait a little longer on the tuner as he will be busy.

[w00t692]

I have more instances than i can count with the k20z3 in the civic si where a part installed lost horsepower without tuning but gained back plenty more than it lost after tuning.

It's simply the tune, the part works well but needs tuning, there's NOTHING wrong with that part...

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

Hear me out for a second, the only flaw with that train of thought is that sometimes aftermarket parts actually have a drop in performance when thrown directly into an oem vehicle.

There are parts that are designed strictly for tuned results, and without the tuning they fall flat. This isn't only the case with exhaust, the same goes with suspension and handling bits as well.

I'm not defending Nameless, remember, I'm a "H8r" according to someone, but I do agree the wait of 6 weeks for dynos is just... meh.

I guess in another 4 weeks we will start to see actual real world dynos as these start hitting the first round of customers.

Edit: Wow, all of the thread tags were cleared from the thread. No new information is posted, but they have the time for that.

Originally Posted by King Tut

The truth will definitely reveal itself on this forum as the past has shown us.

Tuned stock car vs tuned Nameless header makes the most sense to me. That shows the maximum capability of the stock header AND the Nameless header - adding the Nameless header will of course change what kind of timing, fuel, etc. you'd run, so I'm not really certain why people want to see an untuned car.

[pheoxs]

Yeah, I don't see why so many people are going on about untuned results. It could very well lose a couple hp without a tune because the ECU isn't expecting those different parameters, but tuned it could be a few hp above anything else.

No one is going to run this header untuned. You have a baseline dyno and a header/tuned dyno just like all the other header manufacturers.

There are how many tuners out there that have tried to fix the dip as best they could and even on E85 you can't fully get rid of it, and yet so many people here are claiming that their dyno charts might just be the tune and not the header...

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Tuned stock car vs tuned Nameless header makes the most sense to me. That shows the maximum capability of the stock header AND the Nameless header - adding the Nameless header will of course change what kind of timing, fuel, etc. you'd run, so I'm not really certain why people want to see an untuned car.

I'm not sure either, but perhaps to establish their own baseline mentally?

To me the proper baseline would be bone stock (to establish how your dyno compares to other dynos), then post mods + tune. That will give you the ability to calculate a % gain, and calculate a % difference between dynos for a more direct comparison.

Yes, I know that more variables go into dynos, heat, humidity, but it takes a few out of the mix.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Tuned stock car vs tuned Nameless header makes the most sense to me. That shows the maximum capability of the stock header AND the Nameless header - adding the Nameless header will of course change what kind of timing, fuel, etc. you'd run, so I'm not really certain why people want to see an untuned car.

That is a fair comparison as well. I would want them to both be tuned by the same tuner and by someone other than the manufacturer of the part. I don't see thowing this header on messing greatly with the factory tune. This isn't a Honda. This is a MAF based FA20 motor. Could cam timing, ignition timing, and AFRs be tweeked once the header is installed, sure. The header should not lose power without a tune, however.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by King Tut

That is a fair comparison as well. I would want them to both be tuned by the same tuner and by someone other than the manufacturer of the part.

Same car, same tuner - agreed.

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

I'm not sure either, but perhaps to establish their own baseline mentally?

To me the proper baseline would be bone stock (to establish how your dyno compares to other dynos), then post mods + tune. That will give you the ability to calculate a % gain, and calculate a % difference between dynos for a more direct comparison.

Yes, I know that more variables go into dynos, heat, humidity, but it takes a few out of the mix.

Stock, tuned stock, tuned w/ new header. These are the three most important dynos - on the same car, by the same tuner, on the same dyno. Preferably on the same day where there's no huge temperature variance. Gotta seem them delta percentage gains brah!

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Same car, same tuner - agreed.



Stock, tuned stock, tuned w/ new header. These are the three most important dynos - on the same car, by the same tuner, on the same dyno. Preferably on the same day where there's no huge temperature variance. Gotta seem them delta percentage gains brah!

Man, we are agreeing. Hell must be freezing over, or Chicago is thawing.

[tennisfreak]

So here is my concern. We are seeing tuned results on this header after it was at the tuner for 1.5+ months.
I know the tuner did not work with it the entire time but the fact that it took 1.5 months to tune for the results they shown makes me nervous as to just how much "fiddling" it took to get those results.
I am not going to take anyones word that there was no special tuning required to get those results, if that were so dyno results would have come much sooner.

If I bought a header I can guarantee I wont get that much time with a tuner to work on my tune. I might get an hour tops with maybe one or two trips back for adjustments.

So seeing an untuned result gives a great baseline to go off of.

For those saying that bolting this thing on with no tune could possibly yield a loss I call BS. The fact that the cat is completely removed should be enough to show some gains, if not then I would seriously question the design of the header especially when there are competitors who are posting dynos of their "untuned" high flow cat headers with gains over 10hp.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

So here is my concern. We are seeing tuned results on this header after it was at the tuner for 1.5+ months.
I know the tuner did not work with it the entire time but the fact that it took 1.5 months to tune for the results they shown makes me nervous as to just how much "fiddling" it took to get those results.
I am not going to take anyones word that there was no special tuning required to get those results, if that were so dyno results would have come much sooner.

If I bought a header I can guarantee I wont get that much time with a tuner to work on my tune. I might get an hour tops with maybe one or two trips back for adjustments.

So seeing an untuned result gives a great baseline to go off of.

For those saying that bolting this thing on with no tune could possibly yield a loss I call BS. The fact that the cat is completely removed should be enough to show some gains, if not then I would seriously question the design of the header especially when there are competitors who are posting dynos of their "untuned" high flow cat headers with gains over 10hp.

Is it not the job of the tuner to fiddle and extract as much power as possible? If it took them over a month to share with us their best results, that's different than what someone else might be able to extract if given more time AND/OR possessing more experience.

[Gshoxx]

The first guy who got his headers got any dyno yet? What happen to that guy?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Marchy

I'd personally like to see 1,2,3,5. This way you can see how much just the header without a tune will net you, and then also show you how much more the tuner can get out of the car with the upgraded headers.

I think #4 is interesting from a theorycraft/mental masturbation point of view.

[Gshoxx]

Just wanna see this headers hit 215 hp with full 2.5 inch exhaust!! Then im happy