Nameless Performance Equal Length Stepped Header

[Bonburner]

that torque and hp line .. perfect for DD shifting at 3k and enthusiast +3.7k rpms
very nice
i am still curious about the untuned version of it - whether or not people do it is not relevant - simply curious what it would look like haha

[StormTrooper]

i'll probably be in the partially tuned group for while, since i live in BFE

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Untuned is useless. You're not going to run these tuneless, b/c then you're just pouring money away on an expensive header without tuning to let the engine take advantage of all that available power.

Not to mention your afrs are going to be thrown off without a tune. Same reason you don't put on an aftermarket downpipe on a WRX or STI without getting an OTS or protune.

You have to get a tune when you throw a downpipe on a WRX or an STI because they are turbo and changing that downpipe can change the amount of boost the engine sees. A header on an NA car should make power without a tune. What I am worried of is that the majority of the power is from the tune and not the header.

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by King Tut

You have to get a tune when you throw a downpipe on a WRX or an STI because they are turbo and changing that downpipe can change the amount of boost the engine sees. A header on an NA car should make power without a tune. What I am worried of is that the majority of the power is from the tune and not the header.

that would be a good scam

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by King Tut

You have to get a tune when you throw a downpipe on a WRX or an STI because they are turbo and changing that downpipe can change the amount of boost the engine sees. A header on an NA car should make power without a tune. What I am worried of is that the majority of the power is from the tune and not the header.

we're already seeing that that isn't the case. The header allows for the tune to work. The stock header restricts what can be done due to its design. That's where the torque dip is coming from. Even with tuning, while the torque dip can be reduced, it's still definitely there. With an aftermarket header and tune, that dip is utterly eliminated in addition to more power being gained.

[rgt]

Originally Posted by King Tut

You have to get a tune when you throw a downpipe on a WRX or an STI because they are turbo and changing that downpipe can change the amount of boost the engine sees. A header on an NA car should make power without a tune. What I am worried of is that the majority of the power is from the tune and not the header.

I may be mistaken, but it seems there is a lot of data showing that just bolt ons (I/h/e) can deliver pretty decent power. There also seems to be a lot of data that a tune further increases output. Lastly, there is good data that running E85 + header + ecu seems to be the best option for increasing output on a NA engine.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by rgt

I may be mistaken, but it seems there is a lot of data showing that just bolt ons (I/h/e) can deliver pretty decent power.

Let me have some of what this guy's smoking!

Originally Posted by King Tut

You have to get a tune when you throw a downpipe on a WRX or an STI because they are turbo and changing that downpipe can change the amount of boost the engine sees. A header on an NA car should make power without a tune. What I am worried of is that the majority of the power is from the tune and not the header.

So what do you want to see?

1. stock car baseline - no tune
2. stock car baseline - tuned
3. same car as above - no tune with THIS header
4. same car as above - tune for stock header except running THIS header
5. same car as above - tuned for THIS header

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

So what do you want to see?

1. stock car baseline - no tune
2. stock car baseline - tuned
3. same car as above - no tune with THIS header
4. same car as above - tune for stock header except running THIS header
5. same car as above - tuned for THIS header

Just 1 and 3 please. Run the car on the dyno, bolt header on, run the car on the dyno again. Leave the tuning out of the equation. I wasn't under the impression Nameless was in the tune selling business, so I don't really care about their tuned results.

[w00t692]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Just 1 and 3 please. Run the car on the dyno, bolt header on, run the car on the dyno again. Leave the tuning out of the equation. I wasn't under the impression Nameless was in the tune selling business, so I don't really care about their tuned results.

Honestly, if it makes power when tuned, that power was only accessible because of the header. but yes, a header that is well designed for the engine will pick up power just from being bolted on.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by w00t692

Honestly, if it makes power when tuned, that power was only accessible because of the header.

A stock car makes power when tuned, that power was only accessible because of the OEM header.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by King Tut

A stock car makes power when tuned, that power was only accessible because of the OEM header.

You're mincing words tut. There is a limit to the power available with a stock header due to its flow characteristics. An aftermarket header can allow for more power due to increased timing because of better flow.

You know all of that, why the wordplay?

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

You're mincing words tut. There is a limit to the power available with a stock header due to its flow characteristics. An aftermarket header can allow for more power due to increased timing because of better flow.

You know all of that, why the wordplay?

Because I am not doubting that a tune can make power on a stock car or a car with a Nameless header, but I want to know what gains the header by itself makes.

[w00t692]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Because I am not doubting that a tune can make power on a stock car or a car with a Nameless header, but I want to know what gains the header by itself makes.

Why not provide the data for both.

Some people don't give really care what the thing makes just from being bolted on because getting this means they're going to tune for the extra power...

The default position for bolt on parts is to show the gains without a tune, i'm sure they'll do this...

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Because I am not doubting that a tune can make power on a stock car or a car with a Nameless header, but I want to know what gains the header by itself makes.

Hear me out for a second, the only flaw with that train of thought is that sometimes aftermarket parts actually have a drop in performance when thrown directly into an oem vehicle.

There are parts that are designed strictly for tuned results, and without the tuning they fall flat. This isn't only the case with exhaust, the same goes with suspension and handling bits as well.

I'm not defending Nameless, remember, I'm a "H8r" according to someone, but I do agree the wait of 6 weeks for dynos is just... meh.

I guess in another 4 weeks we will start to see actual real world dynos as these start hitting the first round of customers.

Edit: Wow, all of the thread tags were cleared from the thread. No new information is posted, but they have the time for that.