Self tune, or tuner?

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

My point was that without the Tuners developing the software to use, it wouldn't be out there. Without Professional Tuners buying Professionally developed software, and utilizing it, there wouldn't be the amateur versions of that software. It's the trickle down effect so common in the commercial/business world.

Opensource stuff is all reverse engineered from the Professionally developed stuff too.

I use free software from cboles, dschultz, and others. The developers are reverse engineering ROMs, not EcuTek's work. It's insulting to say they that do. EcuTek reverse engineered ROMs too. If they have a lick of sense, they're watching the opensource development too so they can expose maps they missed.

The opensource guys also openly post about and discuss development. It's interesting stuff.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

We did, you just didn't understand our response

The irony. No, you quoted him but replied with something else.
Learn how to read before talking down to someone.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

Keep in mind, You wouldn't be able to self tune your car without Pro-tuners paving the way.

Come again?

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Come again?

I don't know which was funnier. that, or how they're 'developing software' lol.

I use an iphone, therefore I am an objective c developer by that logic.

But yeah.. Anyway... Ad hoc personal attack over, back to constructive discussion lol

[Ironsquid]

More brass tax, you're selling a service not a product. Service implies youre selling your knowledge and time. If you are locking your service and time from your customer it almost seems like blackmail.

The one gotcha anyone could remotely claim as intellectual knowledge is a tune coupled with a new product. Alcohol injection, maybe flex fuel even know thats been around. And IMO if this is the issue then EcuTEK should have the capability to lock the racerom and custom mapping only.

As far as tuner x taking tuner ys info, sure they can take it but they cant honestly use it, itd be wrong and most likely way off tune.

Im going to throw this out there with the chance of sounding like a jerk. If youre locking your base tunes and selling them in that fashion, and then barely giving follow up support tunes maybe youre trying to get rich quick instead of providing a service to customer. Services shouldnt be "lockable".

[jamesm]

to be fair... there is some proprietary value in ecutek custom maps, for instance if you were to develop some new form of traction control not yet thought of. you may want to protect that, and would be right to.

of course they're not doing anything new and innovative, or at least not telling anyone about it. and even if they were, it's only a matter of time until we figure it out and post it up. this isn't exactly rocket science... if you can log a car you can figure out how they're accomplishing whatever they're doing. so really, locking the maps doesn't do much to protect anything anyway if someone wants to know.

it's really not an issue any more though. ecutek is opened up now, people have options. some will buy locked-down tunes, others won't. some ecutek tuners will provide unlocked tunes, others won't. to each their own, and the market will decide who wins.

i know if i ever decide to do this for a living i'll never sell a locked tune, and i'll never quit posting up about everything i learn along the way. that's just me. they can do things however they like.

[Ironsquid]

good show old bean

[mrk1]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

Keep in mind, You wouldn't be able to self tune your car without Pro-tuners paving the way.

I hate arguments like this, everyone has to start some place. No one is born a pro. I'm a professional and I still strive to learn new things about my trade everyday, if I couldn't advance anymore I would start something new.

I understand protecting intellectual property, I deal with that in my line of work too but I'm still always willing to help someone who wants to learn. I am looking to get into tuning as a personal interest not to save money and I think sourcing a unlocked tune from a pro would be a huge help. I would pay for it of course.

[Circuit Motorsports]

For anyone who is actually reading our posts for information and not just to argue, I think we made our points.

For anyone questioning our support - If you have ever dealt with us, or our tuner, then you know how very professional we are and how extremely thorough our tuner is and how he will answer any and every question asked. We aren't out to hide information from our customers or pull a smoke and mirrors game. You can look at our reviews from the customers who have used our services for proof of that.

This argument isn't going anywhere positive so we'll end it here.

If anyone has any questions pertaining to tuning feel free to PM us and we will be more than happy to explain anything about our tuning process

-Tristan

[ztan]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

If anyone has any questions pertaining to tuning feel free to PM us and we will be more than happy to explain anything about our tuning process

-Tristan

Thanks Tristan,

Are you able to post a brief description of your workflow to balance port and direct injection systems in this car? Either here or on mad_sb's thread.

Interested in:
Which maps you use to tune which system, if you touch airflow/load comp maps in your process.

[ztan]

I'm also interested to know what you think of the stock IAT/MAF comp maps and if you touch them at all, given that temperatures in FL are similar to temperatures in QLD - I've found my trims tend to be a little bit higher in hot weather.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by ztan

I'm also interested to know what you think of the stock IAT/MAF comp maps and if you touch them at all, given that temperatures in FL are similar to temperatures in QLD - I've found my trims tend to be a little bit higher in hot weather.

aaaaaaand...... nothin'

[ztan]

Originally Posted by jamesm

aaaaaaand...... nothin'

Which is why I would never use a locked tune - don't know what has been done or what has been considered in cooking the tune.

As a control freak, I prefer to self-tune - more expensive due to time spent, but you figure the stuff out and are the only one to blame if things don't work.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by kbogarto

So in theory for those who buy a tune. Do you have to buy a new tune everytime you buy another performance part? How much do they typically run once you already have the hardware?

Though you can get updates, it's generally best for your wallet to wait on installing parts that will require a tune (headers, front pipe, injectors, flex fuel kit, meth, NOS, etc) until you have all those parts together for your current intake induction setup (either NA or FI) & then get protuned.

Then get tuned again when or if you go from NA to FI or vice versa.

I'm on my phone so if I make mistakes, blame Sportsguy83