Market value of FRS with Vortech SC

[D88]

Originally Posted by stock

I steer clear from buying used cars that have any modification that adds power.

Are you speaking about engine mods only or anything? I wouldn't have a problem with buying a car with a modified exhaust including headers as long as they didn't require a tune. Also simple things like a performance air filter (maybe even intake) is no cause for concern.

[Fish Eagle]

Yep, I agree that parting out is the way to go.
However - I don't really believe what I've just said.

23 years ago, I bought a used vehicle with a modded engine which was done professionally by one of our most respected racecar builders.
I paid good money for those mods - roughly 75% of their original cost.

That vehicle was modded when it was 6 months old (bye-bye warranty), and the mods included camshaft, valves, valve springs, head porting & polishing, carbs, manifolds, exhaust, etc.

It's now going on for it's 24th year since it was modded, and that motor's never been opened since.
It's still got about 90% of it's original power, and sounds really sweet.

So, IMO it all depends on who did the mods, and the extent of the mods.
If the power gain was 50% or less, and it was done by someone really reputable, I'd be comfortable buying that vehicle for a fair price once the modded engine has survived a year or two without incident.

[jadewbj]

You almost never get mod money back. Usually about 25% to 30% of what was spent if you are lucky. One of the main reasons is a bank will only loan a certain amount of money on a specific model year car. SO the buyer needs to come up with cash to make up the difference.

Plus someone needs to love what you did and want it exactly to be willing to pay a premium for it.

You are almost always better parting.

[stock]

Originally Posted by D88

Are you speaking about engine mods only or anything? I wouldn't have a problem with buying a car with a modified exhaust including headers as long as they didn't require a tune. Also simple things like a performance air filter (maybe even intake) is no cause for concern.

Agreed.

[Rampage]

If the present owner is lucky enough to find the right buyer then it could work out but otherwise I agree with all the post above. FI on a car that did not come so equipped from the factory will kill the value of the car in the eyes of the vast majority of potential buyers. Not only will you not get the cost of the FI system back, you may not even get the fair market value of the car.

FI causes the engine to operate outside its design tolerances if it was not designed with FI in mind. I also suspect that most cars that have aftermarket FI added have been driven hard by their owners. Right or wrong I would steer clear of even the most professional installation due to that.

[reesmicm]

joking

Originally Posted by Rakshaa

Lol, not saying this in a bad way, but how can swapping badges possibly increase value? It's not like it can be sold as a GT86 or anything.

Unless you were joking and I'm just taking it seriously.

[thill]

Just look in the classifieds here. There have been some very competitively priced modded cars that have been for sale for months with no buyers.

The people looking for an unmolested used car vs one that is screaming "I have been driven hard" is much greater than the later.

OP, you can try and sell it for a month or so with the mods on for the price you think it fair, but if it does not sell, I would plan on putting the car back to stock and parting it out.

[campy]

Originally Posted by stock

Always keep your original parts. Every piece.
When it comes time to sell, restore it to original condition. Sell off the mod parts.

I steer clear from buying used cars that have any modification that adds power.

Definitely keep your stock parts. The only people who are looking to by stock parts are people who already made the mistake of selling them anyway.

There are a few aftermarket parts I would be willing to pay extra for on a car, such as high-quality wheels, coilovers, or a cat back exhaust, given the car also came with the stock equivalents. A supercharger kit is too much for me to be comfortable with buying, and it's something I would prefer to be in charge of (in terms of the install and choosing the supporting mods).

And didn't a turbo'd BRZ just sell for $35k on these forums not too long ago? Nothing is impossible, I suppose. He probably had $15k+ worth of aftermarket parts in it though.

[OrbitalEllipses]

TL;DR

It's worth less because mods devalue the car!

Originally Posted by campy

And didn't a turbo'd BRZ just sell for $35k on these forums not too long ago? Nothing is impossible, I suppose. He probably had $15k+ worth of aftermarket parts in it though.

@King Tut's car was tastefully and expertly modified. Lots of goodies with good engineering and all the safety-net stuff you'd want, over $15K I'd bet.

[thill]

Originally Posted by campy

And didn't a turbo'd BRZ just sell for $35k on these forums not too long ago? Nothing is impossible, I suppose. He probably had $15k+ worth of aftermarket parts in it though.

Yeah but for everyone of those, there are probably three like this one:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50188

Long list of mods including turbo, clutch upgrade, flex fuel, injectors, etc.

He is asking $24500..... And it has been for sale since October of last year.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by reesmicm

What would be a market value increase of a FR-S with a professionally installed Vortech supercharger+intercooler and associated mods like performance exhaust, radiator and oil cooler upgrades (~10k parts/labor) over the normal price.

Probably $3000 over the price of a similarly optioned/miles FR-S.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by campy

Definitely keep your stock parts. The only people who are looking to by stock parts are people who already made the mistake of selling them anyway.

There are a few aftermarket parts I would be willing to pay extra for on a car, such as high-quality wheels, coilovers, or a cat back exhaust, given the car also came with the stock equivalents. A supercharger kit is too much for me to be comfortable with buying, and it's something I would prefer to be in charge of (in terms of the install and choosing the supporting mods).

And didn't a turbo'd BRZ just sell for $35k on these forums not too long ago? Nothing is impossible, I suppose. He probably had $15k+ worth of aftermarket parts in it though.

I agree with your assessment. I think I am one of the few to sell a forced induction BRZ on this forum. I listed my car for sale only on FT86Club on a Monday and had a deposit and signed bill of sale on a Thursday. The car sold back in November of 2013. Here are the pertinent details:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51135

2013 Subaru BRZ Limited 6MT WRB
26,000 miles
$19,000 in modifications including a Full Blown Stage 1 Base turbo kit, STI brakes, and Advan RG wheels

I listed it for $34,000 and sold it for $32,500.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

@King Tut's car was tastefully and expertly modified. Lots of goodies with good engineering and all the safety-net stuff you'd want, over $15K I'd bet.

I gave you a thanks for that.

[campy]

Originally Posted by thill

Yeah but for everyone of those, there are probably three like this one:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50188

Long list of mods including turbo, clutch upgrade, flex fuel, injectors, etc.

He is asking $24500..... And it has been for sale since October of last year.

It's too bad he can't sell it, since I'd say that's a fair price so long as the engine in good shape, and the P&L kit is probably the best turbo kit on the market (albeit the most expensive).

I'm looking through the other for sale posts and it's making me realize that these cars will seriously be worth like $5k in 10 years.