Those with 240 wbhp wish they had more, like closer to 300 wbhp?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by coyote

Don't hold your breath. We're more inclined to just keep what we do local.

Point is, if it was impossible to build a turbocharged engine that didn't die of heat stroke, every single rally car on the planet would be supercharged.

Amazing what you can do with a large budget.

Are we talking regional level or wrc level?

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by coyote

Don't hold your breath. We're more inclined to just keep what we do local.

Point is, if it was impossible to build a turbocharged engine that didn't die of heat stroke, every single rally car on the planet would be supercharged.

I thought the point of a forum was to share information and knowledge?

[coyote]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Amazing what you can do with a large budget.

Are we talking regional level or wrc level?

You're kidding, right?

I don't get to work on WRC cars.

[AVOturboworld]

Subaru sells a lot of STI's to regional and WRC teams for rallying. So does/did Mitsubishi, for decades. We've been building turbocharged race cars for 40 years, and yes, they were built from the basic regional level up all the way to international.

One of the main pre-requisites for our turbo kits for the Toyota Landcruiser was that they hold together for 2 hours straight at full throttle, 255km/h, through the Dubai desert. We sold up to 60 of those kits a month at peak.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by King Tut

I never tracked my car because I have a racecar and was running for a regional championship last year. Big talk from the guy that bought an S2k "winter" car.

Regional championship of excuses, I bet you won too.
That S2000 has not left the garage either, that's how dedicated I am.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by King Tut

I thought the point of a forum was to share information and knowledge?

Yep ... and I shared the news flash that you can reliably manage heat while running a turbo.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Regional championship of excuses, I bet you won too.
That S2000 has not left the garage either, that's how dedicated I am.

I u too.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by coyote

Yep ... and I shared the news flash that you can reliably manage heat while running a turbo.

The point of the forum is for the forum owners to make money from advertising and sponsors. The sponsors want to sell stuff, so will "share" whatever helps them do that.

Visconti was a great "sharer", as was the FA20Club bloke. Now you've got another vendor selling flashing gadgets who "shares" prolifically how bad all other tuning software is and another selling supercharges who "shares" how bad turbos are.

People like James and Mad (can't remember their exact names, but you know who I mean) are the exceptions to this and are real assets amongst the people sharing their aggressive stances, but if that were the point of the forum, they'd be getting paid!

In short, I shared my opinion that turbocharging doesn't have to mean underbonnet BBQs. Take it or leave it, I don't care. I'm certainly not going to be goaded into "sharing" pictures of something I not ready to just to prove my worth to a bunch of strangers.

That's like having a little kid saying "gimme a look" every 5 minutes while you're trying to do the cryptic crossword puzzle.

Hope this helps you understand where I'm coming from. I could have just ignored your comment, but felt I should share.

You are right that @jamesm and @mad_sb are great assets that openly share information. I find it hilarious you bring them up prior to the rest of your statement where you state the obvious while not providing any useful information.

[jamesm]

Thanks for the kind words. I think the point of the forum should be to facilitate the open sharing of information for the purpose of advancing the cause. That said, it's definitely not. It's a commercial enterprise, designed to make money for everyone except the folks who use it to try and gather information lol. Vendors don't come here to teach us anything, they come here to market products to their target audience. If that weren't the case and they were in fact here for the same reasons we are, we'd be about a year ahead of where we are now. Luckily, you can't stop the train. Once the floodgates open it's impossible to shut them again, and there will always be people here who are more interested in helping people solve problems than selling them something.

Just look at the state of FT86 tuning after only a few months of end-user visibility. It sucks that we have to figure this stuff out all over again by ourselves, but everything we troubleshoot our way through is something the next guy won't have to. The pros don't want to sell the farm. We want to make it a hippy commune, and we will inevitably win.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by jamesm

Thanks for the kind words. I think the point of the forum should be to facilitate the open sharing of information for the purpose of advancing the cause. That said, it's definitely not. It's a commercial enterprise, designed to make money for everyone except the folks who use it to try and gather information lol. Vendors don't come here to teach us anything, they come here to market products to their target audience. If that weren't the case and they were in fact here for the same reasons we are, we'd be about a year ahead of where we are now. Luckily, you can't stop the train. Once the floodgates open it's impossible to shut them again, and there will always be people here who are more interested in helping people solve problems than selling them something.

Well said. I guess I live in the optimistic world where everyone goes to a message forum seeking information and providing information when they possess it. I do understand that the forum has an owner and vendors whose motivation is quite different, but they are the minority. We are the 99%.

[86-tundra]

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by jamesm

Thanks for the kind words. I think the point of the forum should be to facilitate the open sharing of information for the purpose of advancing the cause. That said, it's definitely not. It's a commercial enterprise, designed to make money for everyone except the folks who use it to try and gather information lol. Vendors don't come here to teach us anything, they come here to market products to their target audience. If that weren't the case and they were in fact here for the same reasons we are, we'd be about a year ahead of where we are now. Luckily, you can't stop the train. Once the floodgates open it's impossible to shut them again, and there will always be people here who are more interested in helping people solve problems than selling them something.

Just look at the state of FT86 tuning after only a few months of end-user visibility. It sucks that we have to figure this stuff out all over again by ourselves, but everything we troubleshoot our way through is something the next guy won't have to. The pros don't want to sell the farm. We want to make it a hippy commune, and we will inevitably win.

It is a shame because I have most of my forum experience on a a forum where the masses extremely outweighed the vendors and the vendors were all about the community. Of course vendors paid money, but members could do the same and the forum never had disparity between the power of any user type (be it vendor, mod, paying member, lifetime member, unpaid member). Information there was shared freely and the vendors used their resources to further the community. They even had giveaways that were run and existed solely within the forum for the benefit of the members. I have a few stickied threads on there, and even though I haven't posted in months or years, I still get PMs from people asking questions or for advice and I answer ever time. That is the vibe that I don't feel coming from this place and it is my hope that people like you continue to push this forum in that direction. I wish I could offer more dedication here, if I could, I would be posting screencasts too, doing technical writeups, and performing research. It is what I enjoy doing. Sadly, I dedicate about 55-65 hours per week to my job while still being a full time student

Now, lets stop the and change this to :ontopic: (to the mods, we need a new smilie that has a sign with with highlighted in red for off topic and a green highlight below for on topic).

[xxscaxx]

^ agreed @Luckrider, I too have a bunch of threads stickied in other forums and get PM's all the time from people asking if I could help out, and I always do. Even on here, if someone sends me a message I always answer, but the vibe around this place is way different. I hate all the hush hush that goes on, the deleting of information, etc, and in turn it screws over all the members on this forum that don't know any better and are just looking for some information that isn't skewed in some way.

Then again, this is a targeted forum for 86 owners, so its hard to base it off other forums that tend to be a little larger. Things will come around, but you just need to know better and siphon through all the bs lol.

I am not some super tuner or genius, I love working on my car and i'm not afraid to dive into anything. If its something that can help the community I always try my best to post it somewhere and where its relevant, because I know that when I first started learning about cars I came online to forums and looked for people just like that and have experienced a thing or two which in turn saved me TONS of time trying to figure it out myself.

[xxscaxx]

damn double post, lol. Forum froze up on me before.