Those with 240 wbhp wish they had more, like closer to 300 wbhp?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Should have gotten a turbo then.

Originally Posted by King Tut

More torque is more fun:

Can't sustain that power over a lap.

You're brave, spinning this valvetrain up to 8k. We won't be doing that until we have built heads... the valve springs on this engine are scary.

Remember, our supercharger can flow a LOT more than what it's flowing now. Same supercharger, same-ish supercharger RPM, same-ish boost, different (better flowing) engine. We just need to get the engine to flow as well, and the power will come. It'll be linear, sustainable, and very controllable with instantaneous response.

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by enwave

@CSG Mike that's what I'm interested in. Part of why I love this platform is the NA linear (relatively) power band. Boost is fun and everything, but the more torque I can get down low, the happier I'll be in my car. Because of that I may consider that crazy ESC.

*ducks and dodges the flames*

But honestly, for autocross (which is what I mostly enjoy) the closer I can stay to a linear power band the better.


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ESC is not gonna give you a linear power band.

[Pete156]

260 is Perfect! That's about 70% more than stock.
Quick, economical, and still using OEM clutch. Don't feel the need for any more.

[jamesm]

Supercharger torque curve looks like a horsepower curve. Sure it may make decent peak power, but area under the curve is far more important in real life.

[LBC Por Siempre]

Originally Posted by swift996

My initial goal was 280-300whp but I'm happy with where I'm at. I plan to dyno next week. I get my cat-back in tomorrow. I should be north of 250whp. I'm fine with it because the car is so well balanced with that power. Sure, more power is always cool. I guess it just depends on your goals. I came from a 911 (996) and a M3 (e46) so I wanted something pretty close in speed. I'm almost there but the car is more fun IMO. I don't know how this car would feel with another 50hp or so. I don't know how well it will handle it in certain situations.

My fun is on backroads and a few track days. I'm very well set-up for it. Sure cars will be faster but I'm having a lot of fun.

Really a 996, what did you have exactly? I have an 997.2 Turbo and I havent done anything to it. I don't need too. 500.bhp is more than enough especially Sport Chrono+ which the Porsche peeps know on.tne turbo gives you 16 horsies and 30 more torques. Besides updating the air intakes, billet diverter valve to be proactive. And it sounds a lot better; but You have to be listening to it.
I
I was thinking about to update My intercoolers and leave it at that.

I remember in my youth seeing an 993 twin turbo, Arena Red, was the color I wanted but the Paint to Sample is around $8000. Just A silly price But their Amaranth color an "Spittin´ - Image" to that color, so why spend $8k. When the current option is so close? That is about the difference in buying Ceramic Brakes, which you will observe about half the field switching over at track days to steal brakes. The thing is with Porsches is do not run "Traction Contfol" and PCCBs (that is short) for Porsche Carbon Ceramic Brakes - if you wander a Porsche Forum.

Oh that and Porsche has Mark Webber now including Patrick Long.

Well enough of me babbling.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jamesm

Supercharger torque curve looks like a horsepower curve. Sure it may make decent peak power, but area under the curve is far more important in real life.

"torque on demand"

That s2000 effectively has a M3 powerband from 5000 RPM to redline, but a tame powerband down low. Select your power by picking a gear

The car is absurdly easy to drive.

[kbye]

is this gonna turn into another SC vs. turbo thread or...

[swift996]

Originally Posted by LBC Por Siempre

Really a 996, what did you have exactly? I have an 997.2 Turbo and I havent done anything to it. I don't need too. 500.bhp is more than enough especially Sport Chrono+ which the Porsche peeps know on.tne turbo gives you 16 horsies and 30 more torques. Besides updating the air intakes, billet diverter valve to be proactive. And it sounds a lot better; but You have to be listening to it.
I
I was thinking about to update My intercoolers and leave it at that.

I remember in my youth seeing an 993 twin turbo, Arena Red, was the color I wanted but the Paint to Sample is around $8000. Just A silly price But their Amaranth color an "Spittin´ - Image" to that color, so why spend $8k. When the current option is so close? That is about the difference in buying Ceramic Brakes, which you will observe about half the field switching over at track days to steal brakes. The thing is with Porsches is do not run "Traction Contfol" and PCCBs (that is short) for Porsche Carbon Ceramic Brakes - if you wander a Porsche Forum.

Oh that and Porsche has Mark Webber now including Patrick Long.

Well enough of me babbling.

I had a 996 C4S with some GT3 goodies. I miss it but I'll get another Porsche down the road. Well if you have a Turbo, you know when a car is built to handle power. My advice to people is if you want fast, get a 911 turbo because it can handle it. I'd say 240hp is a "fun" level for this car and more will put you close to a base 911 or 987 cayman S. When I replace the BRZ down the road I plan to go with a 997T or the 14 Cayman S, still don't know yet, but I have some years. The benchmark for my car was the 987 Cayman S. I almost bought one right before I ordered a BRZ. I think I'm almost there in power but have eclipsed it with handling and braking.

With this platform, I just don't see the need to put a lot of power in it unless that's your thing. I feel like its more the game for people who drove turbo hondas. I'm not knocking it, but when you drive a well balanced car you start to understand the limits of a chassis. I don't drift my car, I like sticking it into turns and being able to accelerate out without a lot of drama. My car puts the power down great but I can tell with a bit more, it would be a lot more to manage. My car inspires confidence and I love that feeling, it's really a joy to drive.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

"torque on demand"

That s2000 effectively has a M3 powerband from 5000 RPM to redline, but a tame powerband down low. Select your power by picking a gear

The car is absurdly easy to drive.

different strokes for different folks, but it's a valid observation.

[shiro]

Originally Posted by jamesm

different strokes for different folks, but it's a valid observation.

, that made me think of an old Japanese commercial I saw back in the day when in the military.

Different strokes for different yokes

*Video below might be boarderlining NSFW lol

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_i6kWbdTvjk"]TENGA EGG - YouTube[/ame]

[xxscaxx]

^thats hysterical LOL

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Can't sustain that power over a lap.

You're brave, spinning this valvetrain up to 8k. We won't be doing that until we have built heads... the valve springs on this engine are scary.

Remember, our supercharger can flow a LOT more than what it's flowing now. Same supercharger, same-ish supercharger RPM, same-ish boost, different (better flowing) engine. We just need to get the engine to flow as well, and the power will come. It'll be linear, sustainable, and very controllable with instantaneous response.

Sounds like a challenge. Wish I still had my car so I could accept it. Perhaps I will get to run some laps in James or David's car one day. I can't wait to hear why it couldn't sustain that power over the course of a single lap like most time attack guys do. The only thing linear in that dyno plot is the torque and boost plot, definitely not the horsepower curve.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by LBC Por Siempre

The thing is with Porsches is do not run "Traction Contfol" and PCCBs (that is short) for Porsche Carbon Ceramic Brakes - if you wander a Porsche Forum.

Oh that and Porsche has Mark Webber now including Patrick Long.

Well enough of me babbling.

I like your babbling. Running traction control on a Porsche can kill a set of rear brake pads in a weekend.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by swift996

The benchmark for my car was the 987 Cayman S. I almost bought one right before I ordered a BRZ. I think I'm almost there in power but have eclipsed it with handling and braking.

With this platform, I just don't see the need to put a lot of power in it unless that's your thing. I feel like its more the game for people who drove turbo hondas. I'm not knocking it, but when you drive a well balanced car you start to understand the limits of a chassis. I don't drift my car, I like sticking it into turns and being able to accelerate out without a lot of drama. My car puts the power down great but I can tell with a bit more, it would be a lot more to manage. My car inspires confidence and I love that feeling, it's really a joy to drive.

Same here. It took more than half the price of my Cayman R to eclipse it, but my BRZ did it.