Nub question about hid lights

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Moletheus

I obviously don't live in Europe. Did you not just read my last post? Have you read and actually soaked up what I am saying? I am very familiar with laws and regulations. I have read through every post on this forum about hid headlights. I am not stupid. I have installed many retrofit kits and many conversion kits. I'll say it one more time, I have in person compared the many headlight differences on this particular car, therefore I am allowed to post my opinions about this topic. You obviously have not worked on, seen one, or own an frs with headlight modifications other than looking at pictures. If you had, you may not be such a troll in this forum.

Safety? As was mentioned before on this same post. In my case and every one of my friends/family that I have asked, the only thing that even comes close to "blinding" you are trucks because they sit higher. Certainly not my car at all. I do not feel like I am jeopardizing anyones safety on the road simply because I have solid proof that I'm not.

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I see you didn't read my link at all as it's pretty easy to use a lux meter to prove your point. Instead you use anecdotal evidence, which I can use too: there's a local FR-S with an HID kit that's just as blinding as all the trucks in this area. I'd take the measurement myself but I think me following someone to were I could get the reading wouldn't be a smart move...

[Moletheus]

I do not own a lux meter and I could care less about the exact light output of my headlights. You don't seem to understand the main point I'm trying to make. I'll say it one more time, my headlights look awesome, much better than stock and they do not hurt anyone's eyes. I have been testing and proving this for weeks now. Do I really need to say more?

Can an actual frs owner please back me up on this?

If the FRS you are referring to is actually "blinding" people it can only be due to either cheap bulbs or possibly a 55 Watt kit which in my opinion is too bright.

I think we need to define what blinding people actually means. In my case the only time someone else's headlights ever even slightly bother me is on trucks. Never once have I been literally blinded on the road. Most people just simply look away when they see brighter headlights. I do not have window tint either. Maybe my eyes are not as sensitive as others, but I don't think that's the case because as I mentioned before, not one out of many different people I have driven around at night has anything negative to say about my lights. In and out of they're car, and at all different distances and angles.

Of course an hid conversion is not perfect, it never will be. It is however much cheaper and extremely effective. Why don't you just understand that and stop being a negative troll that doesn't even own the car this forum is about.

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[krayzie]

The blinding comes from the glare as a result of HID bulbs installed in a headlight housing designed for halogen bulbs, not the cutoff. The arc of an HID bulb is different from the arc of a halogen bulb. If you don't find it blinding from the glare with these illegal HID kits installed into halogen headlight housings on cars coming up as oncoming traffic, you really need your eyes examined.

A properly designed halogen projector beam headlight with halogen bulbs can be just as effective. They were very good on the 3rd gen Integra I drove back in the 90s. HID is overrated in my opinion (mind you I've had factory installed Bi-Xenon HID on my old Mk5 Golf GTI and now also on the BRZ).

Also, projector beam headlights are adjusted using an alignment machine. Don't be ghetto and spend the money.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Moletheus

I do not own a lux meter and I could care less about the exact light output of my headlights. You don't seem to understand the main point I'm trying to make. I'll say it one more time, my headlights look awesome, much better than stock and they do not hurt anyone's eyes. I have been testing and proving this for weeks now. Do I really need to say more?

Can an actual frs owner please back me up on this?

If the FRS you are referring to is actually "blinding" people it can only be due to either cheap bulbs or possibly a 55 Watt kit which in my opinion is too bright.

I think we need to define what blinding people actually means. In my case the only time someone else's headlights ever even slightly bother me is on trucks. Never once have I been literally blinded on the road. Most people just simply look away when they see brighter headlights. I do not have window tint either. Maybe my eyes are not as sensitive as others, but I don't think that's the case because as I mentioned before, not one out of many different people I have driven around at night has anything negative to say about my lights. In and out of they're car, and at all different distances and angles.

Of course an hid conversion is not perfect, it never will be. It is however much cheaper and extremely effective. Why don't you just understand that and stop being a negative troll that doesn't even own the car this forum is about.

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I'm not ignoring your point, you don't have one. Anecdotal evidence or opinions aren't proof of anything.


Also, nice personal attack there calling me a troll. Yes, I don't currently own a twin as it's on order. Not that it matters as headlights have standards across all vehicles.

[Vincenttam]

I got a simple diy kit from diode dynamics 6k hids. I drove behind my bros car, 2010 mazda 3, he said it wasn't blinding unless you stare directly into them lol. Good enough for me. I find pickup trucks/suvs with halogens more annoying. At least for hids they're just a bright ass circle in the center of the headlights versus an entire house shooting a hyperbeam at you.

[tennisfreak]

I would be willing to give these a try before doing an HID kit.

These are sold at the local auto parts store so if you dont like them you can always take back and then look into HIDs.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Vincenttam

I got a simple diy kit from diode dynamics 6k hids. I drove behind my bros car, 2010 mazda 3, he said it wasn't blinding unless you stare directly into them lol. Good enough for me. I find pickup trucks/suvs with halogens more annoying. At least for hids they're just a bright ass circle in the center of the headlights versus an entire house shooting a hyperbeam at you.

Erm... you are aware that a proper HID projector you could stare right at it if you're above the cutoff and it's not blinding, right?

[Vincenttam]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Erm... you are aware that a proper HID projector you could stare right at it if you're above the cutoff and it's not blinding, right?

People telling me the benefits of retro fitting my headlights vs a simple kit is that with a simple kit i can blind people. I said that my simple kit doesn't blind people as tested from a average height sedan.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Vincenttam

People telling me the benefits of retro fitting my headlights vs a simple kit is that with a simple kit i can blind people. I said that my simple kit doesn't blind people as tested from a average height sedan.

Yes, tested from behind where someone doesn't have to look in the mirror...

[Vincenttam]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Yes, tested from behind where someone doesn't have to look in the mirror...

Because our mirrors help us look forward!!

[Moletheus]

I just don't get it. Why does everyone say this is illegal? If hid conversion kits are illegal why are they sold by a company as reputable as morimoto? Why haven't I gotten pulled over? I drive 20+ hours a week at night. How did I pass inspection? Why doesn't anyone flash me or complain about my lights blinding them? If some of these claims were true I feel like I would have had a negative experience with this conversion. My hid kit has been installed for a few months now and I am extremely happy with it. Isn't that all that matters?

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[speedrye]

In the past, HIDs haven't been enough of a problem for police to worry about. Now, with more and more on the roads, I'm seeing more people being pulled over for them. Mostly these people are sticking the PnP bulbs in a reflector housing and they deserve to be pulled over. In states like NC that have no real inspection to speak of, true retrofits and PnP kits in halogen projectors won't be an issue, but you'll start seeing more state inspection places and police looking for these items now that they're becoming more common.

It's like texting and driving. Police didn't look for that 5 years ago since it wasn't common, but now that it's widespread and dangerous as well, more people are getting ticketed for it.

[Moletheus]

I guess I just have a hard time believing my headlights are even remotely dangerous. Probably because they are not. I have proven it over and over again. My girlfriends silver star halogens in her civic are more "blinding" than my car. I just followed her to the beach (about 300 miles) at night and she claims that my headlights look great and do not hurt her eyes or distract her at all. I'm doing a fair amount of research and I can't find any law against installing an hid conversion kit. As long as you have projector lenses that will give you a proper cutoff line (halogen or not). As I mentioned earlier as well, how was I able to pass inspection? The mechanic actually thought they were stock at first. He also went on to say they were perfectly aligned and passes the luminosity test just fine. I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

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[speedrye]

Personally, I don't have much of an issue with it when the squirrel finder is closed up some. I'm choosing to do a proper retrofit because I want:
-More light
-More width
-Smoother beam pattern
-An additional high beam

Man, your inspection station is much tougher than mine. Mine verify that the lights turn on, the horn honks and there are no codes in the computer, that's about it.