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Doty0588 · 05-10-2010, 11:31 AM

...Ok after reading all that you guys have said in this article so far, there were a couple things at the beginning that I completely agreed with, but after that there was so much that was said that I completely disagree with I don't even know where or how to start so I simply won't and will boycott the rest of this thread.

Ok all except for what dilly-o just said which is the single peace of sense in this whole article so far.

DrunkenMime · 05-10-2010, 11:56 AM

no way a V6 will fit under the extremely low hood of the FT-86....I think we'd see a turbo version before we see a V6. I hope this rumor is true because it helps Toyota to pad the HP numbers for the sporty version. I'd pay more for more power...

Dark · 05-10-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

no way a V6 will fit under the extremely low hood of the FT-86....I think we'd see a turbo version before we see a V6. I hope this rumor is true because it helps Toyota to pad the HP numbers for the sporty version. I'd pay more for more power...

I would agree if the turbo one is not too heavy compare to NA one.

Midship Runabout · 05-10-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

no way a V6 will fit under the extremely low hood of the FT-86....I think we'd see a turbo version before we see a V6. I hope this rumor is true because it helps Toyota to pad the HP numbers for the sporty version. I'd pay more for more power...

Flat 6?

Id pay less for less weight.

hogge · 05-10-2010, 07:44 PM

I personally think it's great that Toyota want to make an even cheaper car. Make it even cheaper! I don't need rear seats. I don't need driver aids. I want four wheels, of which the rear ones are connected to the engine, I want two seats, I want a good looking body and then I want a stereo. Beyond that, don't add anything that isn't required by the law.

Oh, and for god's sake, bring it to Europe. We don't even get stupid Scions over here.

Random_Art · 05-10-2010, 10:19 PM

Lucky you. You don't have to dodge all the toasters on the road

trueno86power · 05-10-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I think people are missing a bigger picture here. If this report where to be true, then the 'baby' FT-86 seems to be more of a true 'successor' to the AE86 than the FT-86 we've been clamoring over now for months.

The more news that comes out on the FT-86, the more it becomes obvious to 86 owners that Toyota isn't really using the 86 as an inspiration than beyond 'light weight, RWD'. This car, although a bit smaller than the AE86, would have a weight closer to the 86 (than the FT-86 will, at probably 2700-2800), and an I4 pushing almost the exact same performance numbers..cept torque...

For me, I'm suddenly more interested in this 'baby' FT-86 than the FT-86 itself.

I could not say better ! I think the same exaxt thing. The AE86 was not HP beast, but a fun RWD car ! Plus, if it have a REAL Toyota engine in it, i'm in ! My first 2 car was AE86's and this car is not about power, but how fun it is to drive !

thinkaboutit · 05-11-2010, 04:19 AM

New FT-86s will be competing in price range with used Supras, S2000s, 350zs, RX-7s, etc.. As much as I want the FT-86 to succeed, I wouldn't buy one unless it were under $20K. Give me the Baby FT-86 please.

Dark · 05-11-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkaboutit

New FT-86s will be competing in price range with used Supras, S2000s, 350zs, RX-7s, etc.. As much as I want the FT-86 to succeed, I wouldn't buy one unless it were under $20K. Give me the Baby FT-86 please.

I've never expected this can to be less than 20K. Toyota's sport car is NOT cheap tho, if you hear them saying "affordable", you can't expect a cheap car. There is no official word from Toyota, so the rumor is still not true.
BTW, I will get Bad@ss FT-86 with turbo over its competitors any day.

mrtodd · 05-11-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I think road & track is full of it. Toyota aren't going to make a hot hatch with no space in the back, so if anything maybe they are working for a new MR-2. THe last one was great, but underpowered and overpriced, let's see if they are making anything else, how it'll work out.

x2

I'd actually really like to see a new MR-2.

cyde01 · 05-11-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dilly-o

i don't believe a single thing that has been said about the ft86 since its debut. lets review:

-the G-Sport version may or may not make production, maybe just in the Japan market, maybe not
-there might have been a design change from the sexy European studio's version to the tepid California design studio's version, which would have sucked
-for that matter, the toyota version may just be offered in Japan, or not, or the subaru model is only for the USA, or not. and subaru of Australia will hold its breath until subaru promises not to offer a RWD car, thus diluting the brand.
-the engine might or might not be in front of the axle, making a symmetrical AWD (subaru's preferred AWD layout) possible or impossible
-the FT86 might be going up in price, down in power, and up in target demographic
-there might be a RWD Aygo in the works to slot under the FT86.
-there might be a smaller cheaper RWD sports coupe that will meet the original price target of the FT86
-the FT86 might or might not be a scion, the smaller RWD car might or might not be a scion
-there might or might not be a subaru version, which might or might not have AWD, and might or might not have a big turbo.
-oh, and it might or might not be named celica.
-and it might be released in calendar 2011 or 2012, or was it model year 2011 or 2012?

Nevermind the fact that Toyota didn't even disclose the curb weight or the horsepower on either concept. EVERYTHING IS SPECULATION. Please don't overreact to every bit of news. There is clearly a lot of buzz about this vehicle, so the auto mags are gonna milk it, despite probably not being any more informed than we are.

best post ever

RegisBou · 05-11-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cyde01

best post ever

That and i agree with oldschool...the aygo sounds more enticing. Granted I drive a scion but the 1.5L engine in here is great. torque is plentiful compared to HP..i mean i dynoed it at 86whp and 91ftlb or torque. Pretty sweet for a stock engine...

oh and some guy on scionlife (blownXa) has 220whp 230ftlbs or torque...the dyno chart go straight up. power till redline.

Aygo please please please haha

Matador · 05-11-2010, 06:59 PM

p.s. The NZ engine is on it's way out, so they are wrong on that bit too. I believe they are being replaced by the NR and ZR engines depending on application.

Shevon · 05-12-2010, 08:53 AM

Here starts the bullsit....this is our second clue toyota will fuck up the FT-86. 1st clue was raising the price...three is a charm whats next.

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05-10-2010, 11:56 AM	#30
DrunkenMime Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: IS300 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 161 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	no way a V6 will fit under the extremely low hood of the FT-86....I think we'd see a turbo version before we see a V6. I hope this rumor is true because it helps Toyota to pad the HP numbers for the sporty version. I'd pay more for more power...

05-10-2010, 07:44 PM	#33
hogge Member Join Date: May 2010 Drives: ToyotaCelicaST162 Location: Sweden Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	I personally think it's great that Toyota want to make an even cheaper car. Make it even cheaper! I don't need rear seats. I don't need driver aids. I want four wheels, of which the rear ones are connected to the engine, I want two seats, I want a good looking body and then I want a stereo. Beyond that, don't add anything that isn't required by the law. Oh, and for god's sake, bring it to Europe. We don't even get stupid Scions over here.

05-11-2010, 04:19 AM	#36
thinkaboutit Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: SV650 Location: Hawaii Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	New FT-86s will be competing in price range with used Supras, S2000s, 350zs, RX-7s, etc.. As much as I want the FT-86 to succeed, I wouldn't buy one unless it were under $20K. Give me the Baby FT-86 please.

05-11-2010, 06:59 PM	#41
Matador hashiryu Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Mk4 Supra Location: Probably mucking around in an engine bay Posts: 2,567 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	p.s. The NZ engine is on it's way out, so they are wrong on that bit too. I believe they are being replaced by the NR and ZR engines depending on application.

05-12-2010, 08:53 AM	#42
Shevon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Accord Coupe Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 319 Thanks: 26 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	Here starts the bullsit....this is our second clue toyota will fuck up the FT-86. 1st clue was raising the price...three is a charm whats next.

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