Brake Air Ducts

[kombatlion]

I will like to add brake duct, to my APR Carbon Ducts... but I dont want to pay $300 for them I am waiting for someone to do a plate for the brake sheapper than that, $300 is just too much for a hose and a Plate mount... is there any cheap plate...

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by kombatlion

I will like to add brake duct, to my APR Carbon Ducts... but I dont want to pay $300 for them I am waiting for someone to do a plate for the brake sheapper than that, $300 is just too much for a hose and a Plate mount... is there any cheap plate...

You could buy a full kit for nearly the same price as those ducts: http://www.tf-works.com/tf-brake-duc...-s-subaru-brz/

[kombatlion]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

You could buy a full kit for nearly the same price as those ducts: http://www.tf-works.com/tf-brake-duc...-s-subaru-brz/

Yes I like them but again $380 for a hose and a brake plate is too much, I have APR Carbon for looks too and I wont remove them, But I will like the plate and the hose and not to pay $300

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by kombatlion

Yes I like them but again $380 for a hose and a brake plate is too much, I have APR Carbon for looks too and I wont remove them, But I will like the plate and the hose and not to pay $300

One could argue that $360 retail for just the APR CF bumper ducts is too much. They also create more openings in the front bumper which will add more drag at speed.

The @Touge Factory kit is not just hose and backing plates. It's a full kit including custom fit bumper ducts and all the hardware needed (clamps, couplers, washer tank spacers, zip ties, loctite). The TF rotor backing plates are hand made and welded from aluminum, and they direct air to the center of the rotors and through the vanes, which is optimal for cooling. The APR backing plates direct air at the face of the rotors, which is less effective at cooling the rotors. The hoses included in the TF kit are high temp rated silicone which is expensive. Lots of time went into the development of the kit. They actually went with the current setup after testing ducts in the fog light location and determining that there isn't enough room back there to run the hoses, especially on the driver's side. The TF kit is actually a good deal, all things considered.

Originally Posted by Touge Factory

We TIG weld everything in-house, and backing plates are precision laser cut. All components for the backing plate is made out of T6061 aluminum. Due to the thickness of the backing plate, welding could slightly distort the backing plate.

We have a Jig with a used OEM rotor and entire front spinlde + hub assembly (removed from an FR-S with less then 150miles) that we use to check fitment prior to shipping out to ensure everything fits accordingly.
everything is made in-house with all parts made in the USA to ensure durability.
We include Loc-Tite for hub bolts, we include stainless steel Clampco worm clamps. We include double ply high temp hose....etc.
The kit looks simple, because we took the time and design to make it as simple as possible.
I have never seen a DIY kit that seals the rotor completely like ours. They mostly just blow cool air somewhere near the rotor.

You may think this kit for $400 is expensive - but there is not a whole lot of margin we make off this kit at all. Go and purchase 11 feet of high temp 2-ply hose. That right there is majority of your $200 kit that you're thinking of... maybe you can build one with dryer ducts for $200.... maybe.
Sure we could buy Chinese made parts to cut some cost...
Would I run that on our FR-S? Nope.
We made this kit, because we want to offer drivers who do not have the funds to spend on a large Brake kit setup to be competitive and enjoy the car.

To run hoses from your APR bumper ducts you'll at least have to remove/replace your washer fluid tank with something much smaller, and you may even have to cut out a big section of your wheel well liners. Not saying it's impossible, but it's definitely more work. With the TF kit you keep the stock washer tank and you only have to trim a little section of the wheel well liner and they provide detailed instructions for the whole install.

[kombatlion]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

One could argue that $360 retail for just the APR CF bumper ducts is too much. They also create more openings in the front bumper which will add more drag at speed.

The @Touge Factory kit is not just hose and backing plates. It's a full kit including custom fit bumper ducts and all the hardware needed (clamps, couplers, washer tank spacers, zip ties, loctite). The TF rotor backing plates are hand made and welded from aluminum, and they direct air to the center of the rotors and through the vanes, which is optimal for cooling. The APR backing plates direct air at the face of the rotors, which is less effective at cooling the rotors. The hoses included in the TF kit are high temp rated silicone which is expensive. Lots of time went into the development of the kit. They actually went with the current setup after testing ducts in the fog light location and determining that there isn't enough room back there to run the hoses, especially on the driver's side. The TF kit is actually a good deal, all things considered.

To run hoses from your APR bumper ducts you'll at least have to remove/replace your washer fluid tank with something much smaller, and you may even have to cut out a big section of your wheel well liners. Not saying it's impossible, but it's definitely more work. With the TF kit you keep the stock washer tank and you only have to trim a little section of the wheel well liner and they provide detailed instructions for the whole install.

Thanks you have made me think about this... I drive hard and will do ocassionally track driving so I may need to think about this, like you say cutting my fender liners is not a road I want to go neighter!

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by normancw

Do you have to remove the bumper to install the TF kit?

No, everything can be installed underneath the car with the undertray and skid plate removed.

Originally Posted by kombatlion

Thanks you have made me think about this... I drive hard and will do ocassionally track driving so I may need to think about this, like you say cutting my fender liners is not a road I want to go neighter!

The only full APR kit I've seen installed was done without fender liners at all! Not something you want to daily drive with or EVER in the rain! Like I said the hose routing from the fog light ducts is very tricky due to the lack of space, especially with the stock washer fluid tank present.

[zdr93523]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

No, everything can be installed underneath the car with the undertray and skid plate removed.

Will the driver side ducting fit around Perrin oil cooler lines? It looks like it will but I would like to be sure.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by zdr93523

Will the driver side ducting fit around Perrin oil cooler lines? It looks like it will but I would like to be sure.

Yes. I'm running both without issues. Check out my build thread for pics.

[zdr93523]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Yes. I'm running both without issues. Check out my build thread for pics.

Thanks for the quick reply. I hadn't looked at your build until now but ours are eerily similar. Maybe I'll start my own build thread and just have 1 post... "See ATL BRZ build (excpet in white)" Off topic, and you can PM the reply rather than thread jack this one, but how do you like your lip/diffuser? What effects did you notice?

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Yes. I'm running both without issues. Check out my build thread for pics.

Same here, thanks to the info you provided in this thread Nice setup that really works!