2013 Honda Civic Si Sedan vs 2013 Subaru BRZ

[Kelbyat07]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Same. I wasn't happy in an STI, so I'd be absolutely miserable in a Civic SI wagon.

They'll have to take my BRZ from my cold, dead hands.

Im glad i made the right decision by buying one of the twins!

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by dskater411

Everyone bashing the civic is just trying to feel better about themselves with their own car. The SI is a great little car. I had a 2008 SI two cars ago, now I have a 2014 BRZ. Each have their selling points. I do like the BRZ more, but it is also newer. FWD really isnt much of a limitation for the civic, just watch this video

Car comparisons on different tire compounds is like comparing apples to oranges.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Car comparisons on different tire compounds is like comparing apples to oranges.

just like comparing cars with different drivetrains or numbers of doors. cars as a whole are consumable so its a little bit of a slippery slope to just arbitrarily change things. a stock comparison is a stock comparison. take it for what its worth.

i never really understand why people say you cant compare apples to oranges. you compare things because they are different. not because they are the same.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by fatoni

just like comparing cars with different drivetrains or numbers of doors. cars as a whole are consumable so its a little bit of a slippery slope to just arbitrarily change things. a stock comparison is a stock comparison. take it for what its worth.

i never really understand why people say you cant compare apples to oranges. you compare things because they are different. not because they are the same.

Bolt part is completely invalid. The point regarding tires is that they are the ONLY thing keeping the car sticking to the road and a different compound will DRASTICALLY alter times. Put two different cars on the SAME tire and you're comparing what the CARS do and not what the TIRES do.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Bolt part is completely invalid. The point regarding tires is that they are the ONLY thing keeping the car sticking to the road and a different compound will DRASTICALLY alter times. Put two different cars on the SAME tire and you're comparing what the CARS do and not what the TIRES do.

i get what tires do. they are part of the car. its a stock comparison just like most comparisons. youre more than welcome to change the tires and test them both in your comparison. thats not a comparison of the cars stock though.

ive had this conversation before and i know it goes in circles but ill bow out with this thought: tires cost money and vary not only from model to model but size to size so its still not an "even" comparison. what doesnt change is how much a dollar is when being spent on a car. dollars is what i use to compare things because its what society uses. at the prices they cost, i think its a valid comparison. if you think that you should spend 600 more on the frs to make it fair i think youve done exactly the opposite. either way its not about fair, its about comparing and thats how they compare them.

[JS + BRZ]

Yeah, I agree with fatoni on this. The comparison was to show the consumers how these two cars do in stock form.

BRZ losing out to Si in that video on the track shouldn't really make anyone mad or frustrated.

[suaveflooder]

I have both cars. I LOVE my civic. If it came down to selling one, the FRS would go. Civic is tried and true (I know I will get 200k+ miles out of her), more space (I can fit people in the back ) and more usable (HUGE TRUNK!!! 36 mpg consistently…I get about 27 in the FRS)

[JS + BRZ]

Reliability? Cargo volume? Gas mileage?

Thought I registered for a RWD sports car forum.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by JS + MS3

Yeah, I agree with fatoni on this. The comparison was to show the consumers how these two cars do in stock form.

BRZ losing out to HPF Si in that video on the track shouldn't really make anyone mad or frustrated.

Don't care that much either way, but you really should add HPF to that statement to make it accurate.

[pseudo]

I love all the civic bashing. It's a wonder what a handful of teenagers with fart can exhausts can do to a car's perception.

The fact is that the 9th gen si has a much better engine - more usable torque and MUCH more NA room to grow - full bolt ons will net you 250whp easily, and an aggressive NA build will push 300whp. Oh, and thats WITHOUT direct injection.

The SI can corner so much harder than the stock brz. I have yet to put stickier rubber on my BRZ as it's on snow tires right now, but the LSD on the SI lets you push corners hard, and the under-steer is no worse than the FRS' oversteer.

Take a BRZ and an SI civic and put an equal amount of money into each and the SI will crush the BRZ all day long.

That being said, I traded in my 2013 si coupe with 10k miles on it for a car that I could put sideways.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by pseudo

I love all the civic bashing. It's a wonder what a handful of teenagers with fart can exhausts can do to a car's perception.

The fact is that the 9th gen si has a much better engine - more usable torque and MUCH more NA room to grow - full bolt ons will net you 250whp easily, and an aggressive NA build will push 300whp. Oh, and thats WITHOUT direct injection.

The SI can corner so much harder than the stock brz. I have yet to put stickier rubber on my BRZ as it's on snow tires right now, but the LSD on the SI lets you push corners hard, and the under-steer is no worse than the FRS' oversteer.

Take a BRZ and an SI civic and put an equal amount of money into each and the SI will crush the BRZ all day long.

That being said, I traded in my 2013 si coupe with 10k miles on it for a car that I could put sideways.

Are we seriously having this discussion? There are LOTS of cars that make/will make more power than the brz. There are lots of us that came from more expensive cars that had 2-3x as much power as the brz. It's just funner to drive. No need to say anything else.

[DarkSunrise]

This is what happens when you actually match up a stock (non-HFP) Civic SI vs. stock BRZ at the track:

C&D Lightning Lap:
BRZ - 3:18
Civic SI - 3:24

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...o-2013-page-10

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by pseudo

I love all the civic bashing. It's a wonder what a handful of teenagers with fart can exhausts can do to a car's perception.

The fact is that the 9th gen si has a much better engine - more usable torque and MUCH more NA room to grow - full bolt ons will net you 250whp easily, and an aggressive NA build will push 300whp. Oh, and thats WITHOUT direct injection.

The SI can corner so much harder than the stock brz. I have yet to put stickier rubber on my BRZ as it's on snow tires right now, but the LSD on the SI lets you push corners hard, and the under-steer is no worse than the FRS' oversteer.

Take a BRZ and an SI civic and put an equal amount of money into each and the SI will crush the BRZ all day long.

That being said, I traded in my 2013 si coupe with 10k miles on it for a car that I could put sideways.

The SI engine is 2.4 liters and shouldn't be providing equivalent hp to the FA20 it should be making 30-40 more hp stock. Also the big difference between oversteer and understeer is that understeer is much less desirable and can't be counter steered to keep you on your track. Oversteer will crush understeer all day long.

[mwjcyber]

Did all of you even watch the video? They liked the BRZ better, in stock form the SI was 0.10 second faster, and they said "if the BRZ had the same tires as the SI it would have been 2 seconds faster."

The SI's 2.4l makes same practically same power as BRZ's 2.0l, it's front wheel drive, suffers from under-steer, is 100lbs heavier, and has massive amounts of body roll.
The BRZ has a better suspension, better steering response, HID headlights, Alcantra leather, push button start, keyless entry, heated seats/mirrors, Anti theft security system, and IMHO looks better and is more "exclusive."
Sorry Honda fanboys...discussion over.

BRZ > Civic SI HFP