Nub question about hid lights

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

For the love of god please get a retrofit. I'm tired of being blinded by cars with HIDs in stock projectors. If they were meant to come with HIDs then it would have.

lol, not attacking you personally so please don't take offense, but comments like this seem so dramatic to me.

Only "cars" I've ever really thought "DAYUM that's bright" are actually trucks. Very rarely will I be "blinded" by a car unless the light is aimed too high. Even without projectors in a regular halogen housing, I've never really had an issue and HID's are EVERYWHERE here in college area.

And just so I don't get a lecture from someone else, I absolutely know the difference between a housing that is built for HID's and built for halogen. I know about the cut off, light dispersement, blah, blah, blah

[Ghost 86]

I put hid's in mine when I first got it and the factory projectors are really good they have a nice cut off and don't blind on coming traffic. The only reason I could see for wanting to upgrade the factory lenses is if your going to paint your housings and are already taking your lights apart. Everyone will have different opinions but ultimately the factory lenses work just fine. I would however like to see the difference between the hid gt86 lenses vs the frs. I can't see their being too much difference because of cost. Its cheaper to use the same lenses in all the headlights for the manufacturer.

[Ryuu0u]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

lol, not attacking you personally so please don't take offense, but comments like this seem so dramatic to me.

Only "cars" I've ever really thought "DAYUM that's bright" are actually trucks. Very rarely will I be "blinded" by a car unless the light is aimed too high. Even without projectors in a regular halogen housing, I've never really had an issue and HID's are EVERYWHERE here in college area.

And just so I don't get a lecture from someone else, I absolutely know the difference between a housing that is built for HID's and built for halogen. I know about the cut off, light dispersement, blah, blah, blah

No offense taken but it's just that i see it so often for both cars and trucks that it can get a bit annoying. I know on some cars it's not blinding but I just don't want to be a hypocrit and blind others so I would by a retro fit myself. I guess it's just something that always irked me whenever i see it.

[Moletheus]

It certainly doesn't irk me at all, like was mentioned before. Alot of the blinding people are experiencing from other cars on the road is due to the ride height of the car. If you don't have projector lenses obviously don't put hid bulbs in them because you will blind other people.

Stock Hids on a truck or an suv blind the heck out of me because I sit lower and they're projector is focused on my rear view. I also completely agree that in the frs, the only reason to go full retrofit would be to either get rid of the high beam/drl and do dual hid setup or to paint the inside housing. The stock halogen projectors are just fine for a simple hid conversion.

Btw, 6000k halogen drl/high beams do look really good with 5000k low beams.

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[Poodles]

FR-S's stock projectors has a "squirrel finder" that sends light above the cutoff. If you're not bending this closed, you're blinding people with your HID's.


HID's in a halogen projector aren't going to be anywhere near the output of a proper HID projector, but it's much better than a reflector setup. HID has nearly 3 times the output of a halogen bulb, so they can get a wider and fuller beam without losing light. Inversely, a halogen headlight having far less light to work with has to focus the light in a more direct hotspot in front of the car. Adding HID to halogen headlight triples the intensity in those spots (if everything lines up, which it never does as the filament and arc are very different in how they produce light) leading to overpowered foreground lighting and terribly glaring "squirrel finders" that are near the intensity of a normal halogen bulb.

[zdub111]

So can you have led drl's and HID's and still use the high beams?

[Moletheus]

Squirrel finders. Lol. I know what your talking about but the name is funny. I can 100% guarantee that unless you are in a car that's lower than mine, my 35w 5000k Morimotos inside the stock halogen projector will not "blind" you. This subject is getting a little redundant. I have done a lot of comparisons since the upgrade and when I see my car on the opposite side of the road, It doesn't affect my driving or "blind" me at all. It just looks like I have hid headlights. Isn't that the point of this upgrade? I have tested this theory in different vehicles at different heights and my headlights look great passing by.

Obviously, oem/stock hid lamps will give you more light output that is indeed focused better. It also costs alot more than even the most expensive hid conversion kit. The main point I would like to make is that at least the frs has projector lenses. Halogen or not, they still make a nice line. Without them, I would not have gotten hid bulbs.

If you would like to do a retrofit kit and get the hid projector, your looking at 300-500 bucks and about 6-8 hours in labor. (if you know what your doing) I have installed many retrofit kits and taking the bumper off, baking headlights on a brand new car is not something most people want to go for.

The most expensive hid conversion kit is 150 bucks (cheap eBay kits around 30) and it takes no longer than an hour to install. So easy I would let my sister install a hid conversion kit.

If you want it perfect, spend the money on a retrofit or entire new headlamp assembly. If your like me and your putting all that money into paying the car off, get a conversion kit. Mine look fantastic and in my tests do not blind anyone. Maybe there is a difference in the 2014 model headlights, i don't know. Do whatever you have the wallet for.


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[Diode Dynamics]

Here is a customer submitted picture with our HID conversion in the stock FR-S projectors. No modifications at all



They work pretty well IMO

Nick C.

[Moletheus]

Point proven. Thank you Nick.

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[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Diode Dynamics

Here is a customer submitted picture with our HID conversion in the stock FR-S projectors. No modifications at all



They work pretty well IMO

Nick C.

Sorry man, but that's a bad pic to judge headlights off of. Too close to the wall, surroundings are too bright, etc.

[Carlitoz3]

Originally Posted by Moletheus

The Morimoto h11 bid conversion kit. They are expensive but well worth it. Warranty is really nice and they warm up super fast. There are many other inferior eBay kits and some decent mid priced kits as well. From my experience the 5000k morimoto kit looks as close to an OEM hid's that you can get. 4300k if you want even more of that "sunlight" look on the road. 6000 will give you a little more of a bluish tint to the bulb. The FRS has surprisingly good projectors so you don't have to worry about blinding everyone after you do hid's. Theretrofitsource.com has exactly what you need and tons of info.

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So many different HID systems.
What made you pick h11?

[Diode Dynamics]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Sorry man, but that's a bad pic to judge headlights off of. Too close to the wall, surroundings are too bright, etc.

It's a customer submitted photo with no adjustments made at all

Nick C.

[Moletheus]

Originally Posted by Carlitoz3

So many different HID systems.
What made you pick h11?

H11 is the low beam bulb size for the FRS.

[Moletheus]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Sorry man, but that's a bad pic to judge headlights off of. Too close to the wall, surroundings are too bright, etc.

I think the picture proves the point that the FRS has nice cutoff lines and that hid conversion kits with no modifications work just fine. Have you even seen an frs with an hid conversion in person? I have seen quite a few (and own one) and even cheap eBay kits offer a significant upgrade to the stock low beams.

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