Powered By MAX Coilovers!!!!!!

[zlegend]

I just ordered my Lower control arms from them and I cant wait to get them!

had there stuff on all my 240s and one FC lol

[dobbrz]

LOL at the people at the beginning of the thread claiming PBM is cheap chinese crap quality without doing any research...Fools

[MattinglyBuilt]

I ran Power by Max Coilovers on my RX7, they were amazing! The car was a track/drift car only, however these can take some major abuse and just keep working flawlessly!! Might have to consider these for my brz build..

[diss7]

Originally Posted by robot

"Allows you to do 32 clicks of damping change in just 12 clicks!"


The click as you know is a standard unit of adjustment....

I would love to hear someone say this IRL.

FWIW this stuff is all good. People assume its shit, because it looks good and is not moon pie money.

I personally don't like some of the spec of some of the stuff, but I certainly wouldnt go as far as to say its crap.

[robot]

We assume it is shit because all past companies that described their product in a similar fashion ended up being shit. It is a pattern and a red flag to suspension geeks.

Good suspension companies/products are usually advertised as:
-Being tested on the track...with feedback
-Having a good warranty
-Being designed with proper math/modeling, proper drivers (not just the jackass down the street who say "it is stiff so it should be good", proper consideration for actual use.
-Damper settings and springs that work together.
-Transparency with regards to spring rates and damper curves

For subaru the two companies (in the US) that have met these criteria for the past 6+ years are TiC and Racecomp. I would call them suspension designers. They don't actually manufacture most of their damper/spring items. They use tried and true companies that have been building consistent dampers and springs for years (AST/KW/etc.).

Red flags:
-Advertising numbers of clicks (see my quoted post)
-Advertising how low you can go (low =/= good handling)
-Advertising stiffness over stock
-Advertising vs explaining
-Not showing damper curves (even when asked)
-Not providing spring rates (even when asked)
-Not able to explain why certain spring rates are better or worse
-Not able to talk about tradeoffs in design
-"oooh look at those welds" (because as you know everyone is an expert at the prettiness level of a weld)
-"oooh look at that bright red/green/yellow/etc metalic paintjob"
-Not telling you what the clicks adjust
-Not rebuildable

Now, it could be that these aren't crap. It could be that they are good. Buuut if they aren't then the advertising needs to be changed so that the pattern of crap is not so closely matched.

Now I have to look up that crotchety guy who dynos everything and says that most dampers are crap...

[dobbrz]

Originally Posted by robot

We assume it is shit because all past companies that described their product in a similar fashion ended up being shit. It is a pattern and a red flag to suspension geeks.

Good suspension companies/products are usually advertised as:
-Being tested on the track...with feedback
-Having a good warranty
-Being designed with proper math/modeling, proper drivers (not just the jackass down the street who say "it is stiff so it should be good", proper consideration for actual use.
-Damper settings and springs that work together.
-Transparency with regards to spring rates and damper curves

For subaru the two companies (in the US) that have met these criteria for the past 6+ years are TiC and Racecomp. I would call them suspension designers. They don't actually manufacture most of their damper/spring items. They use tried and true companies that have been building consistent dampers and springs for years (AST/KW/etc.).

Red flags:
-Advertising numbers of clicks (see my quoted post)
-Advertising how low you can go (low =/= good handling)
-Advertising stiffness over stock
-Advertising vs explaining
-Not showing damper curves (even when asked)
-Not providing spring rates (even when asked)
-Not able to explain why certain spring rates are better or worse
-Not able to talk about tradeoffs in design
-"oooh look at those welds" (because as you know everyone is an expert at the prettiness level of a weld)
-"oooh look at that bright red/green/yellow/etc metalic paintjob"
-Not telling you what the clicks adjust
-Not rebuildable

Now, it could be that these aren't crap. It could be that they are good. Buuut if they aren't then the advertising needs to be changed so that the pattern of crap is not so closely matched.

Now I have to look up that crotchety guy who dynos everything and says that most dampers are crap...

They have dyno data on a number of their popular coilover applications on their website. As well as data on their linear springs and their compression length. I am not an expert on suspension design but if you look there is a lot of data and graphs to be found. I am assuming they don't have the gt86 dyno numbers yet because they are newer and haven't had time, as updating their website is not their top priority most of the time. A lot of their parts are designed well because they design them to overcome flaws of products already on the market. Sure, their customer base is meant more for those just trying to slam their car. But I don't think we should call them crap. As for their advertising style...I think that is what they are going for. It is flamboyant, just like the design and style of all of their products. Its the way they do things...With some stuff written in japanese (I assume) and all that trying to cater to the jdm fan boy crowd...Sure it makes them look juvenile, but I'm sure it works for their target audience. This all being said, of course PBM don't make the best coilovers on the market. But they are solid pieces for the prices, and I have heard great things about their customer service.

[irax]

Two things you need to understand about Part Shop Max is:
They make suspension parts for really low drift cars. That's it.
Only Part Shop Max sells Part Shop Max parts. They don't resell their products to retailers. They don't ebay their own stuff.

At one point their struts were rebuildable but they found it to be easier and cheaper for the customer to just sell them new struts.

All their suspension is track tested with constant feed back from drivers around the world.
They have several Formula D, MSC, D1 ranked drivers using their parts on their cars.
Yeah their parts look generic now, but that is because other companies have copied their products. They are constantly making changes and revisions based off feedback.

I can make you a pretty long list of companies that have copied products that Part Shop Max has made or innovated in design.

[cfig21]

I'm curious to see how these compare to the Stance LCAs. I like the fact that they can make the car go 15 mm lower though.

[robot]

Originally Posted by irax

Two things you need to understand about Part Shop Max is:
They make suspension parts for really low drift cars. That's it.
Only Part Shop Max sells Part Shop Max parts. They don't resell their products to retailers. They don't ebay their own stuff.

At one point their struts were rebuildable but they found it to be easier and cheaper for the customer to just sell them new struts.

All their suspension is track tested with constant feed back from drivers around the world.
They have several Formula D, MSC, D1 ranked drivers using their parts on their cars.
Yeah their parts look generic now, but that is because other companies have copied their products. They are constantly making changes and revisions based off feedback.

I can make you a pretty long list of companies that have copied products that Part Shop Max has made or innovated in design.

Excellent and informative (no sarcasm).

[Khorne]

Originally Posted by robot

We assume it is shit because all past companies that described their product in a similar fashion ended up being shit. It is a pattern and a red flag to suspension geeks.

Now, it could be that these aren't crap. It could be that they are good. Buuut if they aren't then the advertising needs to be changed so that the pattern of crap is not so closely matched.

Now I have to look up that crotchety guy who dynos everything and says that most dampers are crap...

Here is a good example of how to advertise your suspension. http://mcasuspension.com/blue-series/

MAX's just looks like all the other cheap suspension.

[robot]

Originally Posted by Khorne

Here is a good example of how to advertise your suspension. http://mcasuspension.com/blue-series/

MAX's just looks like all the other cheap suspension.

I don't see shock dynos....but I didn't look very hard or ask. Otherwise, I agree with you.

[Khorne]

Originally Posted by robot

I don't see shock dynos....but I didn't look very hard or ask. Otherwise, I agree with you.

When i inquired about coil overs from them the first reply email had a shock dyno attached for the 86/FRS/BRZ.

[mr. slim]

Well if it counts I use these coils as a daily and for drifting.
They're really responsive and give a smooth ride (a somewhat stiff ride).
Being said I did slam the car for performance and looks, to reduce body roll make a very low center of gravity. I don't know much about coils but from owning serveral coils, FEAL, function and form. I would rate these very well. It also depends on your application.

[chiprez]

I had PBM's on an s13 and loved them compared to tein. I also drifted that car. Now a days I'm into auto-xing and wanna try HPDE and wouldn't mind a set of these as a decently priced coil with a good past experience and consisdering I mainly dd my frs.