BRZ or FR-S vs. THEM ALL

[Lo]

I don't understand how come "hatchback" is a plus for you when looking at the MS3, but a minus when you look at the 2009 STI...

[Simon99]

Originally Posted by Lo

I don't understand how come "hatchback" is a plus for you when looking at the MS3, but a minus when you look at the 2009 STI...

I hate the hatchback look so much on the STI.

Originally Posted by vangisback

Not mad, "bro", I just find it retarded that your GF/mom can't stroke your cock enough at home that you have to get your fix from some random kids on the internet. Nobody is saying that you don't work hard to earn your money just like everyone else here, but get your cock stroked at home, son.

Man I didnt ask you to come give me shit here. I got amazing feedback thwt alloeed me the check the 996, the Cayman and allowed me to find out about the FR-S Monogram before pulling the trigger on the BRZ.. do you go in every comparaison thread bashing on the OP because nobody stroked his cock ? Anw, hope you get sorted out, if you het offended/jealous of someone buying himself a car with his money, I don't want to see how it's like at home.

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[thill]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

If you want AWD and you want a bit of power oversteer, go with the Evo X. The active torque vectoring will let the rear hang out just a bit under power. It's also a lot sharper than the STI in stock form.

I used to own an STI. It might be rear-biased, but it won't power-oversteer without significantly more power. The fronts tires will slip first even with less than half the power going to them. They get overworked trying to steer the heavy front end and putting down power at the same time. At stock and even bolt-ons power level, all you'll get is power understeer in most circumstances.

This is why waiting for the 2015 WRX might make sense. It supposedly has the handling of the Evo X but it will be brand new and in his budget vs buying a used Evo. If you do go with a used Evo I would have it compression tested and gone over with a fine tooth comb. But I love the Evo it is a great car minus the interior.

[BadMoon]

Originally Posted by thill

This is why waiting for the 2015 WRX might make sense. It supposedly has the handling of the Evo X but it will be brand new and in his budget vs buying a used Evo. If you do go with a used Evo I would have it compression tested and gone over with a fine tooth comb. But I love the Evo it is a great car minus the interior.

I've read that the new WRX is almost equal to the current STI. That's saying a lot. The new STI will be announced on the 15th. Hope your enjoying yours. If I get to a point where I can afford two vehicles I will be picking one up.

[DarkSunrise]

Does the new WRX have active torque vectoring? From what I understand, that's what allows the Evo X to have the slight bit of power oversteer.

[thill]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Does the new WRX have active torque vectoring? From what I understand, that's what allows the Evo X to have the slight bit of power oversteer.

Yes it does. Active torque vectoring, much stiffer chasis, much stiffer springs, better brakes, tighter steering, it sounds like better weight distribution too. Lateral acceleration is matching that of an Evo now, and it sounds like the 2015 WRX gives you the handling of an Evo for $10K less or so (this is what the pro reviews are saying). And it is so cheap and easy to add power to the WRX platform. A downpipe and Stage 2 tune via a Cobb Accessport on the current car is about $1K and this gives you more hp and tq than an Evo X at the wheels. I would assume the cost to get similar numbers on the 2015 WRX would be similar so you should be able to match or exceed EVO numbers for way cheaper.

[thill]

Originally Posted by BadMoon

I've read that the new WRX is almost equal to the current STI. That's saying a lot. The new STI will be announced on the 15th. Hope your enjoying yours. If I get to a point where I can afford two vehicles I will be picking one up.

I am enjoying the car. I am adding a rear sway bar soon which helps with body roll and understeer, along with a proper alignment. Subaru sets up the current generation WRX to have more understeer than I would like but it is pretty easy and cheap to fix. $96 rear sway bar and an alignment.

[Meehow86]

This thread got stupid at "not JDM" being an argument against a car.

[Simon99]

Originally Posted by Meehow86

This thread got stupid at "not JDM" being an argument against a car.

Hahahaha I hate american muscle cars so much, and a v8 mustang is a muscle car in my book, but I can't go over the fact that its a well priced and equipped car for its category (the V6 that is)

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[Lo]

Originally Posted by Meehow86

This thread got stupid at "not JDM" being an argument against a car.

Originally Posted by Simon99

Hahahaha I hate american muscle cars so much, and a v8 mustang is a muscle car in my book, but I can't go over the fact that its a well priced and equipped car for its category (the V6 that is)

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I guess my personal difficulty is you're using terms to explain things that you understand, but to others mean something completly different.

Had you mentionned "muscle car" as a negative from the start, that would've made more sense to me and would've been more consistant. I mean, the Focus and Fiestas aren't JDM and aren't muscle car. But wtv. I'm mostly knit-picking your plus minus lists because I find them hard to compare to each other.

Nice list nonetheless

[vobla6.0]

Originally Posted by Meehow86

This thread got stupid at "not JDM" being an argument against a car.

Or bringing JDM up when talking about cars for the canadian market.
None of the cars listed in the first post is a JDM in the first place.
Produced by a Japanese auto manufacturer?.... yes, some.
But JDM?.... no, none.

[Simon99]

Eh, screw JDM or any domestic market, I was just always told that japanese and european are more reliable than american. Maybe I'm wrong and that probably changed, my bad

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[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by Simon99

Eh, screw JDM or any domestic market, I was just always told that japanese and european are more reliable than american. Maybe I'm wrong and that probably changed, my bad

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The domestic-produced cars are getting a little better at reliability, but, eh. They're either gas hogs or mind-numbingly boring.

The only cars which excite me are the European and Japanese cars. Those are actually interesting. To me, "American car maker car" == boring as hell (there are some exceptions).

[vangisback]

Originally Posted by Simon99

Eh, screw JDM or any domestic market, I was just always told that japanese and european are more reliable than american. Maybe I'm wrong and that probably changed, my bad

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You need to learn to research and think for yourself. A big boy like you who is making all this hard-earned cash don't need random kids on the internet to tell you which car to buy.