OpenFlash Tablet: OFT 3-Touch Programming with Preloaded Tune File Database

[coastertrav]

So, I've got the Stage 1 loaded (car is stock otherwise).

HOLY CRAP! Why didn't the car come like this? I was apprehensive and didn't want to get psyched up from what everyone was saying, but it is all true. The torque dip is all but gone, I can't even really notice it any more, and while the car isn't ungodly more powerfull it is worlds better to drive. It seems to idle better and rev more freely as well.

Shiv, thanks for doing this, you've done an excellent job.

Also, what do you think the reasoning is for the torque dip being there in the first place? I imagine it is for some emissions related thing, but neither myself, nor a buddy of mine who does emissions and drivability tuning for an American manufacturer can figure out what it accomplishes.

[Blood]

I was considering buying an Open Flash Tablet but I'm a little confused about this update, and some other things.

My car is an AT and has the following mods: Perrin inlet hose, Perrin drop in filter, Perrin headerback exhaust. In the future I will be adding a catted header of some sort (Most likely P&L).

From what I've been reading, it's $500 for the tablet, and it will come with generalized tunes. But, the tune files are also open for editing for those who have tuning knowledge, until this update is released? Version 1.50 and forward, the tunes won't be open anymore? There is also the option of having someone at OFT customize the tune for a specific car and its mods for an additional ~$200, but these custom tunes will be locked as well, correct?

I guess what I'm confused about is why I should consider buying this product, which was once promoted as being an open tuning solution, but now looks as though it will have locked tunes going forward just like EcuTek yet is more expensive.

It would cost $700 for a tune with OFT (because I would want a tune tailored to my car), opposed to $450 for an EcuTek license + customized tune (with a borrowed cable since there's a ton floating around now) from a reputable tuning shop.

Did I read something wrong somewhere? If I haven't, then I'm really confused about why this is worth the $250 extra for essentially the same thing EcuTek tuners offer.

[FrsDuke]

The tunes will be available in an open format as well. Only the ones generated by the dev file are locked. They can be overwritten with open tunes. I'm assuming the E-tuning will also be in the open format, but I'm not certain.

The dev file system is intended for people who are not interested in open tuning and are quicker and easier to deal with. Not that the open tunes are at all challenging. The other reason is it allows distribution of tunes that by necessity must be locked such as specific manufacturer tunes for mods or carb compliance.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by FrsDuke

The tunes will be available in an open format as well. Only the ones generated by the dev file are locked. They can be overwritten with open tunes. I'm assuming the E-tuning will also be in the open format, but I'm not certain.

The dev file system is intended for people who are not interested in open tuning and are quicker and easier to deal with. Not that the open tunes are at all challenging. The other reason is it allows distribution of tunes that by necessity must be locked such as specific manufacturer tunes for mods or carb compliance.

This is correct

The .dev file format is for preloaded maps. More a convenience feature than anything else. Some new map releases will come in .dev format first and open (.bin) file later. Some dealers may only choose to release maps in .dev format for IP protection which is there prerogative. Also, keep in mind that with the OFT, you are purchasing a tool, not just a reflash.

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

This is correct

The .dev file format is for preloaded maps. More a convenience feature than anything else. Some new map releases will come in .dev format first and open (.bin) file later. Some dealers may only choose to release maps in .dev format for IP protection which is there prerogative. Also, keep in mind that with the OFT, you are purchasing a tool, not just a reflash.

Let's say the truth.

After EcuTek came out with the possibility to use your openmap file as well, you decided to lock the maps so you must have the oft table to access it. I can bet my ass that what you are gonna do is: release new map locked, when the map is outdated and a new map has been developed you will then make the oldone openormat and just have a new locked one out.

This behaviour is just the opposite of what you stated few week ago.
You said: " we make money selling a device (OFT) not in selling maps, so that's why I have my open format maps floating around, and happy about it"

It's not like that anymore.
Just admit that after EcuTek made the brilliant move they did... You had to change your way of doing business a bit. There is no shame in it.

Myself included tought of buying EcuTek licence and just flash your openformat maps with it.

It's just hilarious that after the holy crusade against EcuTek way of doing business and the good speech about how the future of fa20 tuning would have been in openformat tunes etc etc. now you are not much different from the competition.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

Let's say the truth.

After EcuTek came out with the possibility to use your openmap file as well, you decided to lock the maps so you must have the oft table to access it. I can bet my ass that what you are gonna do is: release new map locked, when the map is outdated and a new map has been developed you will then make the oldone openormat and just have a new locked one out.

This behaviour is just the opposite of what you stated few week ago.
You said: " we make money selling a device (OFT) not in selling maps, so that's why I have my open format maps floating around, and happy about it"

It's not like that anymore.
Just admit that after EcuTek made the brilliant move they did... You had to change your way of doing business a bit. There is no shame in it.

Myself included tought of buying EcuTek licence and just flash your openformat maps with it.

It's just hilarious that after the holy crusade against EcuTek way of doing business and the good speech about how the future of fa20 tuning would have been in openformat tunes etc etc. now you are not much different from the competition.

Incorrect on many levels but for the sake of not starting drama, I'll stay on topic and thank you for your feedback

Also, if you look at the original post in this thread, it was posted on 12/20. Given that date, I wouldn't call any action of ours reactive.

[Victor Draken]

I didn't want to start any drama. You can answer my post just saying were I'm wrong about your product.

I just think that is not well explained what will be locked and what not.


And I was very close to pull the trigger on OFT before EcuTek announcement, so im
Not trying to flame you or anything

[FrsDuke]

Do not feed the troll.

[Victor Draken]

You serious? Is this an open forum where we should have open discussion and try to explain to costumers and/or future costumers or it's a fanboy reunion and as soon someone raise questions or state a different opinion it gets attacked with stupid line like the one you just wrote?

I'm speechless.

[FrsDuke]

I just figured the crap you just spewed had to be intentional trolling. To call someone a liar and attack their character then assert you are not trying to cause drama is pretty nuts. I was actually giving you more credit than is due apparently.

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by FrsDuke

I just figured the crap you just spewed had to be intentional trolling. To call someone a liar and attack their character then assert you are not trying to cause drama is pretty nuts. I was actually giving you more credit than is due apparently.

Quote where I said: shiv is a liar. Please.
He was in my opinion not very clear in answering a specific question about what is locked what is not, especially the etuned maps.

I didn't attack SHIV, I questioned what he said and how his business had change in my eyes. I don't know Shiv personally so I don't know how I would be able to attack his character.

So please can you just stop being such a fanboy? The guy is a grownup man and owner of a business I think he will be more then able to manage it on his own.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

Quote where I said: shiv is a liar. Please.
He was in my opinion not very clear in answering a specific question about what is locked what is not, especially the etuned maps.

I didn't attack SHIV, I questioned what he said and how his business had change in my eyes. I don't know Shiv personally so I don't know how I would be able to attack his character.

So please can you just stop being such a fanboy? The guy is a grownup man and owner of a business I think he will be more then able to manage it on his own.

Victor,
I think the problem is that it appeared you took more time into calling me out on something than actually try to understand what you are calling me out for. Understanding the purpose behind .dev files and how they are additive (not substitutive) to standard .bin files would have probably resulted in you assuming a less argumentative stance (if any stance at all). I suggest you re-read the info provided in this thread free of intention or motive. And then if you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Also I do not think its appropriate to call anyone a fanboy.

[s2d4]

To summarise:
1. Can't read op.
2. Implied unethical behaviour.
3. Justified No 2. because of No. 1
4. Call people names because of No. 3

Conclusion:
1. Abrasive
2. Abusive
2. Obnoxious
3. Reading comprehension lacking.

[FrsDuke]

Maybe it is just an issue with perceived tone. I think he perhaps read it like I did. When you start with "let's be honest" or "let's say the truth" it is implied there has been dishonesty to that point. You then accuse him of reversing his stance on open source tunes. You demand clarifications that have been given repeatedly. I am not sure at this point if it is a language issue or not because your English seems absolutely fine to me. Perhaps it's an issue of idioms or something. Are you Italian or American?

Again saying "let's say the truth" is synonymous with saying "stop lying to me" in the U.S.

Your logic is also absolutely flawed about ecutek allowing end user adjustment having any impact on shiv's work being open. Before now any "master tuner" could have taken shiv's work and sold it to ecutek customers. Customers being able to do it themselves now has no impact.

E-tunes will be open. He confirmed my assumption in the post you quoted.