Disabled the driving aids. Here are my impressions.

[bcj]

They're sticking AIDS in motorcycles as well now.
Getting the same kind of "OMG you got the model that doesn't have AIDS!" on MC forums too.

Don't have too much patience with them either. When did responsibility leave the building?

[bcj]

[gutbomb]

The difference between cars that never had driving aids and modern cars is that modern cars are designed with the aids from the ground up. They don't make a perfect car then put driving aids in. These cars are designed to have the minimal aids on all the time. Concessions are made in the brakes, chassis, and suspension. Where these components would be less than optimal without aids the aids compensate, and this become part of the car's design, not an afterthought. Sure you can turn off traction control and vsc and still be within the car's tolerance but anything more is driving the car in a manner that it's just not meant to be driven which puts other people in danger if you drive on public roads.

The pedal dance is not meant to be used for driving either. It's a diagnostic mode.

At the track all of the other drivers have informed consent and know what they are getting into. Mom in her minivan who has to get out of your way as you spin out from locking brakes that aren't designed to be used without a functioning ABS module does not know.

But you know better because you have testicles of steel.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by bcj

They're sticking AIDS in motorcycles as well now.
Getting the same kind of "OMG you got the model that doesn't have AIDS!" on MC forums too.

Don't have too much patience with them either. When did responsibility leave the building?

When ignorance took over common sense...

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by bcj

Now, it has ......

humfrz

[diss7]

Originally Posted by gutbomb

The difference between cars that never had driving aids and modern cars is that modern cars are designed with the aids from the ground up. They don't make a perfect car then put driving aids in. These cars are designed to have the minimal aids on all the time. Sure you can turn off traction control and vsc and still be within the car's tolerance but anything more is driving the car in a manner that it's just not meant to be driven which puts other people in danger if you drive on public roads.

The pedal dance is not meant to be used for driving either. It's a diagnostic mode.

At the track all of the other drivers have informed consent and know what they are getting into. Mom in her minivan who has to get out of your way as you spin out from locking brakes that aren't designed to be used without a functioning ABS module does not know.

But you know better because you have testicles of steel.

What an absolute load of shit.

This isn't a stealth bomber, that without aids would be unusable.

It's a simple car. Front engine, rear wheel drive.

It doesn't need traction control.

It isn't so inheriently unbalanced that it needs ebd or stability.

Unbelievable. Let me guess, a car salesman told you that?

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by gutbomb

The difference between cars that never had driving aids and modern cars is that modern cars are designed with the aids from the ground up. They don't make a perfect car then put driving aids in. These cars are designed to have the minimal aids on all the time. Sure you can turn off traction control and vsc and still be within the car's tolerance but anything more is driving the car in a manner that it's just not meant to be driven which puts other people in danger if you drive on public roads.

The pedal dance is not meant to be used for driving either. It's a diagnostic mode.

At the track all of the other drivers have informed consent and know what they are getting into. Mom in her minivan who has to get out of your way as you spin out from locking brakes that aren't designed to be used without a functioning ABS module does not know.

But you know better because you have testicles of steel.

Dafuq are you talkin about willis??? Brakes dont lock up just because the abs is out, they will lock up if you depress the pedal hard enough to lock up the brakes... otherwise I would have locked up both the m3s brakes and my e39s brakes when the abs module failed. But of course, you've been spoon fed all thos bullshit that cars without aids are a danger to everyone

[gutbomb]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Dafuq are you talkin about willis??? Brakes dont lock up just because the abs is out, they will lock up if you depress the pedal hard enough to lock up the brakes... otherwise I would have locked up both the m3s brakes and my e39s brakes when the abs module failed. But of course, you've been spoon fed all thos bullshit that cars without aids are a danger to everyone

You misunderstood me. Of course he would have to lock the brakes, I didn't mean it would just happen on its own. Properly functioning ABS prevents it from happening if he made a human error.

And the whole post was talking about disabling aids that aren't meant to be disabled, not cars that were never designed to rely on aids in the first place.

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[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by gutbomb

You misunderstood me. Of course he would have to lock the brakes, I didn't mean it would just happen on its own. Properly functioning ABS prevents it from happening if he made a human error.

And the whole post was talking about disabling aids that aren't many to be disabled, not cars that were never designed to rely on aids in the first place.

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Do you even know how much pressure you need to lock up the wheels? I k ow as i've driven a 2011 BMW M3 with no abs due to a failed sensor, as well as my e39 530i due to the same issue and I never once locked my wheels even on a rainstorm... but again... you've been fed a load of bullshit

[diss7]

Originally Posted by gutbomb

You misunderstood me. Of course he would have to lock the brakes, I didn't mean it would just happen on its own. Properly functioning ABS prevents it from happening if he made a human error.

And the whole post was talking about disabling aids that aren't meant to be disabled, not cars that were never designed to rely on aids in the first place.

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You do accept that the car has more braking performance without ABS?

You also do realise that this car can engage ABS based on g-forces, BEFORE slip is detected? The car THINKS that something is about to happen because of the g experienced under braking. It doesn't realise that you may have bigger tyres, or semi slicks.

It does do this. I've experienced it first hand. Without these aids active, my car brakes much better.

[gutbomb]

Originally Posted by diss7

You do accept that the car has more braking performance without ABS?

You also do realise that this car can engage ABS based on g-forces, BEFORE slip is detected? The car THINKS that something is about to happen because of the g experienced under braking. It doesn't realise that you may have bigger tyres, or semi slicks.

It does do this. I've experienced it first hand. Without these aids active, my car brakes much better.

On sorry I didn't realize you were an engineer that designs cars. In that case I'll understand why you think you know more than engineers that design cars...

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[diss7]

Originally Posted by gutbomb

On sorry I didn't realize you were an engineer that designs cars. In that case I'll understand why you think you know more than engineers that design cars...

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You sound religious.

You're arguing about something you believe in but don't understand.

My previous post that you quoted contains facts that contradict your point of view, so you simply chose to ignore them; despite quoting them.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by gutbomb

On sorry I didn't realize you were an engineer that designs cars. In that case I'll understand why you think you know more than engineers that design cars...

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Im a licenced engineer... Let me ask you, are you an engineer to back all youve been saying?

[gutbomb]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Im a licenced engineer... Let me ask you, are you an engineer to back all youve been saying?

I'm a software developer for a CAD software company that specializes in 3D for product design. If you're an engineer you're probably familiar with it.

If you have to pull a fuse to disable something then it's something the car is not designed to be without. Is that simple.

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