"gah FRS/BRZ are so slow, if only they had like 50 more hp" - Page 19 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Rio · 12-16-2013, 08:45 PM

I went from a '99 Porsche Carrera to the FR-S and yeah there's no way I can get that kind of acceleration, but I didn't get this car for the straight line racing. I got it because of it's cornering ability. It's a better autocross car than my old 911. The OP made a mistake buying this car if he wanted a drag racer.

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spralwers · 12-17-2013, 10:08 AM

I like going 375-400 miles on a tank, and only needing to fill up 11.5-12 gallons of gas. Not sure if I'd get that kinda mileage with 230-250hp.

Mikem53 · 12-17-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Muaddib

I miss my AE86.

Yeah.. We all miss carbs, drum brakes, worm and ball steering, loose tolerances and bias ply tires.. Those were the good ole days.... Not..!!!
While it's nice to reminisce. We've come a long way baby! These are the good ole days..

Muaddib · 12-17-2013, 10:51 AM

EFI and disk brakes. Get it right!!!

ZDan · 12-17-2013, 10:59 AM

Surely the AE86 was on radial tires, too...

Idriveft86 · 12-17-2013, 01:08 PM

I don't really care what other people say because I bought this car on my own reason.

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dave77 · 12-17-2013, 01:16 PM

The FR-S is not too bad at sea level or low elevation. It's pretty sweet actually.

But I had mine in Colorado recently and I could tell the difference.

cycleboy · 12-17-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl

I don't care what you've done to your car - on stock power, there's no chance you'd be outrunning a well-driven C5 Z06, R8 V10, Viper GTS, or M3 if driving skill were equal.

Why would anyone expect a $25K car to keep up with ones that are $75-$200K?

If I had $75K+ to spend on something fun, would I have gotten the FR-S? No.

For me, it's a great combo of enough power, gas mileage, handling, fun, & great looking. It's making me a better driver and I'd get it again in a heartbeat. I will probably do some minor mods to help w/ torque dip (tune, catback, etc.)

Minhtyfresh · 12-17-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cycleboy

Why would anyone expect a $25K car to keep up with ones that are $75-$200K?

If I had $75K+ to spend on something fun, would I have gotten the FR-S? No.

I say yes! Get the cheap fun (good mpg, handling, looks) and pocket the $50k+ for some other worldly pleasures

Canadian Greg · 12-17-2013, 05:11 PM

I also own a 68 442 Cutlass. Fast to be sure with 370 hp... But in comparison to the fr-s, it corners like a bath tub.

I find the performance pretty decent considering it's a four cylinder.

chrisl · 12-17-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cycleboy

Why would anyone expect a $25K car to keep up with ones that are $75-$200K?

If I had $75K+ to spend on something fun, would I have gotten the FR-S? No.

For me, it's a great combo of enough power, gas mileage, handling, fun, & great looking. It's making me a better driver and I'd get it again in a heartbeat. I will probably do some minor mods to help w/ torque dip (tune, catback, etc.)

Oh - absolutely. I completely agree with this. I love the FR-S/BRZ as a car, and I think it's great fun. It doesn't need to keep up with a Z06, R8, Viper, or M3 to be a blast to drive, and that really isn't its purpose anyways.

andalicious · 12-25-2013, 01:32 AM

The first time I got my FR-S on a track it had a few simple mods (springs, Hawk brake pads, and some Nitto NT-01 tires) and there is no way I could have been disappointed! I was able to keep up with GTOs and M3s through the twisties and everyone who saw the car in action were amazed. Sure I fell a little behind in the straits but I could always catch up in the turns and had a blast doing it! I couldn't be more happy with my FR-S.

TylerLieberman · 12-25-2013, 01:48 AM

The lack of torque is what kills it. Especially in the midrange.

50hp would be cool but I'd rather 50 more lb-ft of torque.

Hanni_0176 · 12-25-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

The lack of torque is what kills it. Especially in the midrange.

50hp would be cool but I'd rather 50 more lb-ft of torque.

Without increasing the redline, 50 more hp would require more torque. Likewise, 50 more peak torque (@6600 rpm's) would result in more hp.

I think what you were trying to say was that you want more available torque at lower rpm's. Unfortunately, this is a small displacement engine, so you either need forced induction, a hybrid system, or a larger displacement engine in order to make big torque at low rpm's.

12-16-2013, 08:45 PM	#253
Rio Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: 2014 Scion FR-S ハチ Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,048 Thanks: 744 Thanked 390 Times in 241 Posts Mentioned: 131 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I went from a '99 Porsche Carrera to the FR-S and yeah there's no way I can get that kind of acceleration, but I didn't get this car for the straight line racing. I got it because of it's cornering ability. It's a better autocross car than my old 911. The OP made a mistake buying this car if he wanted a drag racer. Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk __________________

12-17-2013, 05:11 PM	#262
Canadian Greg Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: Black 2013 fr-s Location: Markham Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Muscle car I also own a 68 442 Cutlass. Fast to be sure with 370 hp... But in comparison to the fr-s, it corners like a bath tub. I find the performance pretty decent considering it's a four cylinder.

12-25-2013, 01:48 AM	#265
TylerLieberman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: '24 GR86 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,686 Thanks: 658 Thanked 3,363 Times in 1,584 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The lack of torque is what kills it. Especially in the midrange. 50hp would be cool but I'd rather 50 more lb-ft of torque. __________________ Old 2013 FRS Build Thread (SOLD) Hakone 86 GR Build Thread (SOLD)

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