Will the 2015 get this power boost?

[zc06_kisstherain]

more power? everyone says i want little more power on every cars they've owned. lol

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

The problem with the "more powa" thing is that for a long time there has been a handful of enthusiasts (us) that wanted a cool, lightweight, RWD, sports car that we could afford. Something like an MX-5 but better looking and more practical. We would even say things like "It's okay if it doesn't have a ton of power, just make it fun to drive!" The rest of the enthusiasts were perfectly happy with their WRXs, EVOs, turbo'd Hondas, Mustangs, MS3s, S2000s, 350Zs, etc...

Well Toyota came along, and with the help of Subaru, built a car for those of us who had a dream for an affordable, lightweight, RWD coupe...

Unfortunately, it attracted the attention of all of the "other enthusiasts" who decided that it was a great car... if only it had more power. And unfortunately, those people became opinionated and very vocal about our affordable, lightweight, RWD sports car. Suddenly their WRXs and Evos and whatnot, weren't enough for them, they wanted our car... but more like their car...

Now we got the car we wanted, but there is a downside to every happy ending, and that is that we have to deal with them...

The End.

Well said and, in my opinion, you hit the whole issue dead center. The GT86/FR-S/BRZ are perfect for what they are supposed to do. Asking (and getting) more power will also bring more weight, much higher cost and duller handling. The car will become a butter knife (well maybe a steak knife) instead of a scalpel. There are already too many of those on the market. I hope Toyota leaves it alone unless they can squeeze a few more ponies out of the existing drivetrain.

[Pizzman]

Blah blah blah! There are to many who take themselves so fucin seriously on here!!!!!!!
The following is a post of opinion. I do not assume what Japanese engineers are going to do or should do. I am not going to drop facts
(or are they) just to sound smart.
I LOVE my BRZ. I like shifting, period. I like reving it and listening. I like driving it and not destroying the speed limit. I like the styling. I like the handling. I laugh at V8 swaps. This car has a supernatural following, and is the only sub-30k car that turns heads like a 60k car.
There will be changes, its the progression of an automobile. I feel for people who bought a 2014 BRZ and can't tell its not a 13.
Would I like 20-40 more hp, yes, but my speed would only increase along with my tickets. I would not be able to drive it like I do know. Kudos to the engineers who put the fun back in driving...........

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by Pizzman

Blah blah blah! There are to many who take themselves so fucin seriously on here!!!!!!!
The following is a post of opinion. I do not assume what Japanese engineers are going to do or should do. I am not going to drop facts
(or are they) just to sound smart.
I LOVE my BRZ. I like shifting, period. I like reving it and listening. I like driving it and not destroying the speed limit. I like the styling. I like the handling. I laugh at V8 swaps. This car has a supernatural following, and is the only sub-30k car that turns heads like a 60k car.
There will be changes, its the progression of an automobile. I feel for people who bought a 2014 BRZ and can't tell its not a 13.
Would I like 20-40 more hp, yes, but my speed would only increase along with my tickets. I would not be able to drive it like I do know. Kudos to the engineers who put the fun back in driving...........

+1

[kuhlka]

Originally Posted by thill

The thing is, if all Toyota wanted was a boxer engine, they could have gotten Subaru to build them one but still built and assembled the rest of the car in Toyota factories and only released the car as a Toyota. When you watch the Subaru videos you realize that Subaru was doing a lot more then just providing an engine. I doubt the FT86 would have ever happened without the partnership.

I'm not so sure. It probably had a lot more to do with economics and friendships between the companies. It makes more financial sense to partner up than build a whole new plant to build a one-off engine.

Considering Toyota's current lineup is pretty tame (wtfnosupradammit), I bet economics played a HUGE part in the partnership. Now that they've saved all that money by not building a whole new engine, maybe they'll have the cash to spare on Supra prototypes... The new chief said he wants a Supra, so we should be praying to the twin turbo gods that he makes it happen. If it ends up in the GTR price range or lower, it'll be sold out before they even hit showrooms.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

The problem with the "more powa" thing is that for a long time there has been a handful of enthusiasts (us) that wanted a cool, lightweight, RWD, sports car that we could afford. Something like an MX-5 but better looking and more practical. We would even say things like "It's okay if it doesn't have a ton of power, just make it fun to drive!" The rest of the enthusiasts were perfectly happy with their WRXs, EVOs, turbo'd Hondas, Mustangs, MS3s, S2000s, 350Zs, etc...

Well Toyota came along, and with the help of Subaru, built a car for those of us who had a dream for an affordable, lightweight, RWD coupe...

Unfortunately, it attracted the attention of all of the "other enthusiasts(trolls)" who decided that it was a great car... if only it had more power. And unfortunately, those people became opinionated, obnoxious and very vocal about our affordable, lightweight, RWD sports car. Suddenly their WRXs and Evos and what not, weren't enough for them, they wanted our car... but more like their car...

Now we got the car we wanted, but there is a downside to every happy ending, and that is that we have to deal with them...

**including a bunch of idiots who don't even own the car voicing their two-bit negative opinions.

The End.

Sorry(not really sorry ), had to tell the truth there.

[thill]

Originally Posted by kuhlka

I'm not so sure. It probably had a lot more to do with economics and friendships between the companies. It makes more financial sense to partner up than build a whole new plant to build a one-off engine.

Considering Toyota's current lineup is pretty tame (wtfnosupradammit), I bet economics played a HUGE part in the partnership. Now that they've saved all that money by not building a whole new engine, maybe they'll have the cash to spare on Supra prototypes... The new chief said he wants a Supra, so we should be praying to the twin turbo gods that he makes it happen. If it ends up in the GTR price range or lower, it'll be sold out before they even hit showrooms.

I agree economics played a huge role. Would Toyota still have built an FT86 without Subaru? Probably, but we will never really know (which is a good thing). The Supra (or whatever they will call it) is a joint venture with BMW. Should be interesting, but I suspect the MSRP to be into the six figure range (the 2014 Nissan GTR now starts at $99K for the base and the Track edition starts around $116K and my guess is that they are hard to find for less than that). Best guess is this joint BMW/Supra car will start in the $120K and higher range. I suspect it will be more supercar than Mustang GT killer.

[kuhlka]

Originally Posted by thill

I agree economics played a huge role. Would Toyota still have built an FT86 without Subaru? Probably, but we will never really know (which is a good thing). The Supra (or whatever they will call it) is a joint venture with BMW. Should be interesting, but I suspect the MSRP to be into the six figure range (the 2014 Nissan GTR now starts at $99K for the base and the Track edition starts around $116K and my guess is that they are hard to find for less than that). Best guess is this joint BMW/Supra car will start in the $120K and higher range. I suspect it will be more supercar than Mustang GT killer.

Bleh. Lexus already has an LFA. I really hope they don't go that route. There are enough bullshit ridiculously expensive supercars out there. Making something in that price range would be better suited to the Lexus marque than Toyota.

[Frost]

I agree there are no need for changes on the current car.

Also don't forget that Toyota had the money to build the car but not the facilities since most of their factories were up or near capacity or at least slotted capacity for newer cars. Subaru on the other hand, had the extra capacity to build a new niche car. Win-win for both teams - or so they thought.

I find it funny that, as mentioned in Everyday Driver review of the FRS, that Toyota almost always has to co-operate with another party to put out a truly memorable sports car.

[SeanBlader]

Originally Posted by Frost

I find it funny that, as mentioned in Everyday Driver review of the FRS, that Toyota almost always has to co-operate with another party to put out a truly memorable sports car.

Rather than funny, I find it historically accurate. Toyota has had a long standing history of cooperating with Yamaha for engine components, going back as far as I know to the early 80's with the 4AGE.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by SeanBlader

Rather than funny, I find it historically accurate. Toyota has had a long standing history of cooperating with Yamaha for engine components, going back as far as I know to the early 80's with the 4AGE.

Oh I know about the Yamaha co-operation but when I said with another company, I meant another CAR company.

MR2 = Lotus
FRS = Subaru

Last I checked the Supra and Celica were all in house.

The LFA engine was the pinnacle of Yamaha sound engineering (for a car)... that ballast made the engine SING.

[krayzie]

I read somewhere before that they could have got another 30hp out of the car if they tried but then it wouldn't meet their emission targets.

[protpibe]

So if the BRZ/FRS actually did get more power, what would be the next thing to complain about?

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by protpibe

So if the BRZ/FRS actually did get more power, what would be the next thing to complain about?

The 5x100 bolt pattern since the next generation STI and WRX are 5x114.3? People will find something to complain about.