DIY Editing for EcuTek users is here December 20th! AND FREE!

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Companies just cannot win. EVERYONE drilled Ecutek for being closed and not allowing end user customization. Now they announce it and here we are complaining at what they still don't offer. I prefer to see things half glass full and appreciate this announcement hugely.

I was looking into options to get a different type of tuning software for my car but this is the announcement I needed. I'm staying with ECUtek.

I understand where you are coming from. Those feature you ask about I would love to have too. But this DIY user tuning is leap and bounds bigger than the other stuff. I hope they do keep working and make them available later on.

I never drilled them for being closed, but granted its great they have unlocked it (if the tuner chooses to do so remember).

I just felt like the other things I mentioned were nothing of the grand scheme of this, and so many people have complained about it that it would be something of concern.

Map memory doesn't bother me, I never switch maps really. I am just making reference to what i've seen posted a million times over. I do wish they would enhance the datalogging features, I will own up to that one lol.

Maybe I should have came at it from a different angle, as I can see how i'm coming off as unappreciative, when I am not meaning to, lol.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

true, but with a lot of posts I read on this forum, most people should be staying away from editing their own maps (amongst other things lol).

You are in a league of very few. I'm not saying I don't appreciate the announcement, but there are far more people who don't know what they are doing than there are that do, or people who could care less and leave it to a tuner to do this kind of stuff for them.

i think if people who consciously made a decision to mess around with their ecu would be less pissed if their engine blows than those who pay money to tuner, get unsafe tune, and drive on it waiting for the next tuning round until their engine blows.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by jamesm

that's because up until now they haven't been able to without ditching the tune they already paid for. this is excellent news if only for the reason that it'll encourage more people to experiment and learn, reducing dependency on a few select tuners to service everyone, and improve the whole situation from the top down. i love it.

it is too expensive though. if oft or brzedit get speed density it'd be less exciting, as that's really the only killer feature to justify the price. nonetheless fantastic news, and a huge step in the right direction. i commend ecutek for listening to the market (and common sense).

I agree with you completely. FYI, I have had 4 different tunes on my car.

At the end of the day though I wish I would have just went with a dyno tune and skipped all the etuning, as its a PITA. This only is because you get the time of day from every tuner for the first week or so and then they are ghosts that you are trying to hunt down thereafter. But thats another topic of discussion that I will leave the lid on for.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

I agree with you completely. FYI, I have had 4 different tunes on my car.

At the end of the day though I wish I would have just went with a dyno tune and skipped all the etuning, as its a PITA. This only is because you get the time of day from every tuner for the first week or so and then they are ghosts that you are trying to hunt down thereafter. But thats another topic of discussion that I will leave the lid on for.

oh no, it wouldn't have helped. i had a 'pro' dyno tune, many days worth of them actually, street, dyno you name it. you can't get a car right in a few hours on a dyno, or a couple hours here and there on the street. you can make it put up a big number, but that's about it. the things that matter, driveability and stability in a wide variety of conditions, simply cannot be done this way. it's just math. the amount of data required to do it properly takes longer than the tuner has with the car to collect. it took me almost 1,000 miles worth of driving to get everything dialed to near perfection. now you could argue that a tuner who is a pro has a great basemap to start from and more experience and can do it quicker, but that's bullshit. i've driven cars that were e-tuned or one-day dyno tuned, and they're just not perfect. they just accept a level of 'done' that is more loosely defined that what you probably want if you were doing it yourself. i'm confident in arguing that my DIY, first-ever attempt at self-tuning from na to fi, done as a learning experiment more than anything else, has better driveability than any other FI fr-s/brz i've ridden in or driven. am i some super smart awesome tuner genius? no. i just have a lot of free time, and that's what it takes. time. incremental changes. lots of them.

so just do it yourself and be done with it. at least you'll know it's right and if it's not, you'll have learned enough by then to figure out why.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by jamesm

am i some super smart awesome tuner genius? no.

oh, you're so SHYYY

seriously tho, maybe you'll write for us who don't have as much time a complete BrzNewbieTuningGuide in lame terms?

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by vgi

oh, you're so SHYYY

seriously tho, maybe you'll write for us who don't have as much time a complete BrzNewbieTuningGuide in lame terms?

already in the works.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by jamesm

already in the works.

regardless of how shy you are we'll canonize you upon release of that doc!

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by vgi

regardless of how shy you are we'll canonize you upon release of that doc!

got one better: screencasts lol. i'm a programmer, we dig screencasts.

[vgi]

+1. writing docs is too boring.

[jamesm]

first screencast: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53773

[Xero-Limit]

Originally Posted by jamesm

first screencast: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53773

Interesting to see the tools that you guys are using on the other side. This is what you'd do with the view in EcuTek:




Select 2d view, set the MAF g/s (or volts if you choose) as the X axis. You can also filter the datalogs by opening them with excel, sorting and deleting fueling modes (i.e. cl and ol), and re-sort by time and open with proecu. But with a decently sized log that isn't necessary. You get the trends quite accurately through this view. Generally go by the long term trims. The short will always vary a good bit.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

Interesting to see the tools that you guys are using on the other side. This is what you'd do with the view in EcuTek:




Select 2d view, set the MAF g/s (or volts if you choose) as the X axis. You can also filter the datalogs by opening them with excel, sorting and deleting fueling modes (i.e. cl and ol), and re-sort by time and open with proecu. But with a decently sized log that isn't necessary. You get the trends quite accurately through this view. Generally go by the long term trims. The short will always vary a good bit.

that's pretty much the same idea, only that the spreadsheets generally take the sum of the stft and ltft to get total correction %, categorize those, then plot the mean and mode for the suggested corrections (suggesting the more conservative of the two).

i'll be switching to ecutek (or rather, adding it to the list lol) soon so it's nice to see how their logging tools work. thanks!

edit: on a related note, what sort of logging speed do you see logging maybe 10-15 params with ecutek? more samples/sec == less time driving slow .

[cuddefred]

I already have a tune from both Visconti and FA20. Am I right in thinking that with this announcement and the free upgrade I will be able to set my own speed for when auto-blip is activated and also adjust the revs up or down that my autoblip adds on a downshift? Cheers for any replies

[EcuTek]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Companies just cannot win. EVERYONE drilled Ecutek for being closed and not allowing end user customization. Now they announce it and here we are complaining at what they still don't offer. I prefer to see things half glass full and appreciate this announcement hugely.

I was looking into options to get a different type of tuning software for my car but this is the announcement I needed. I'm staying with ECUtek.

I understand where you are coming from. Those feature you ask about I would love to have too. But this DIY user tuning is leap and bounds bigger than the other stuff. I hope they do keep working and make them available later on.

Thanks Sportsguy83. Well put. And we will keep working to develop and refine the product.