First Speeding Ticket, Oh JOY!

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Bel STI-R Plus or Escort 9500ci.

That's pretty cool technology i was thinking substantially cheaper to start though.

Entry level.

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[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

That's pretty cool technology i was thinking substantially cheaper to start though.

Entry level.

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Any number of Escort Passports. I would never recommend entry level...perhaps an STI-R Driver or 9500ix if you're not interested in custom installs. 9500ix was on sale on Amazon for $350 (~$100 off) just last weekend.

[Liltuffgirl]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

You sound like me man! I don't like paying the town or state or whatever my hard earned cash so I'm just going to be a little more careful.

Also I plan on investing into a police radar scanner thingamabob.

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In most cases once you come into view of a police car they already have your speed. If they are using a handheld radar you're totally screwed.

Radar detectors are only good for when the officer is using an in car radar and leaves it on in your direction.

Some radar jamers work but are costly. Plus many states made it illegal to have a jamer even if the radar detector is legal.

Best bet is to blend in with traffic as much as possible. If you are passing everyone you're going to be seen.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by Liltuffgirl

In most cases once you come into view of a police car they already have your speed. If they are using a handheld radar you're totally screwed.

Radar detectors are only good for when the officer is using an in car radar and leaves it on in your direction.

Some radar jamers work but are costly. Plus many states made it illegal to have a jamer even if the radar detector is legal.

Best bet is to blend in with traffic as much as possible. If you are passing everyone you're going to be seen.

All radar only has an accurate lock on a speeding car when both the car and radar head have a clear view and only straight on. Any angle between the 2 shows a lower speed .

Radar detectors can detect ANY police frequency radar (depending on the quality and sensitivity of the detector).

Ladar however, you are generally totally screwed cause the speed tax collector targets the licence plate with the laser dot.

Jammers are dangerous because the cop can see the jamming and cause him to go after the jammer.

With hand held radar at least you know cops, when they rest the radar gun on their laps they often forget to turn it off and fry there balls.

And you are right about blending in with traffic . If god gives you camoflauge use it ! (especially larger vehicles, you can even be in front of them and if large enough the radar will pick up the larger vehicle not you).

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by bkblitzed

I drive like an asshole all the time. When you drive 4 hours a day for work you gain a hatred for other drivers in certain areas. I drive like an asshole just to get away from those drivers haha. Knock on wood since I only have 1 speeding ticket and I'm 21

I know how that goes, and I'm 29. Been in your situation for even longer, and I become more intolerant of the generic ignorant driver every year. Not in a "road rage" sort of way, as these idiots aren't worth me going ballistic (not much IS in my case, since I'm usually armed, and you learn to keep your temper in check much better than joe schmo when you've got a respectable firearm tucked under your shirt every day), but in the "I really hate having to share the road with these knuckleheads... they could get my treasured car wrecked or get me killed and they would barely scratch their big SUV's bumper" kind of way.

That's when a nimble car with potential for more power becomes its own justification: active idiot avoidance... also called "having enough handling and power to get out in front of the accident before it happens."

Edit: Granted, I don't drive 4+ hours daily for work. I do drive over an hour in traffic most days, however.

[Liltuffgirl]

It doesn't matter if there is an angle, the speed Will show very slightly lower not higher.

Being next to a single big rig won't help, most in car radar will show the closest and the fastest so it will hit both vehicles. Then the officer will observe traffic to see which vehicle it is that is going the fastest.

Now two big rigs in the right area together will throw the radar way off. But normally it's for a second and it'll kick back into being normal.

The gun will always lock onto you. And not all cops have nuts and many would rather not have swimmers anymore lol

[RFB]

Originally Posted by Liltuffgirl

It doesn't matter if there is an angle, the speed Will show very slightly lower not higher.

Being next to a single big rig won't help, most in car radar will show the closest and the fastest so it will hit both vehicles. Then the officer will observe traffic to see which vehicle it is that is going the fastest.

Now two big rigs in the right area together will throw the radar way off. But normally it's for a second and it'll kick back into being normal.

The gun will always lock onto you. And not all cops have nuts and many would rather not have swimmers anymore lol

The greater the angle - the lesser the speed reading , enough to make a difference. I have seen as much as 10 mph on an angled trap on a straight stretch of road.

Yes most radar will show the closest target but only when there is a large gap between it and the larger target . A speed tax collector who taxes the fastest target with a larger target in behind is either inept, dishonest, or poorly trained. Anyone nabbed in that situation will usually get off in court with an honest judge due to the physical factors of radar. The cop has to prove the beam was reflecting off the accused - His or her's opinion is not the same as evidence required for a conviction.

The gun will not always "lock on to you" - Have you ever had "phantom readings" - you know - the readings on the radar caused by aircraft even though the radar is pointing at traffic ?

These and other limitations of radar technology in speed tax collecting is why Ladar was invented. Angle is still a factor but convictions are inevitable as the tax collector can testify - "Yes your highness - the beam was reflecting off the vehicle driven by the accused as I witnessed it through the viewfinder screen"
There is even the capabilty of snapping a digital photo of the exact instant and bringing it to court for the grand poohbah tax collector to see.

As far as the "nutless cops" - those estrogen life forms do have gonads which can get fried. Excessive close range high intensity radar frequencies can cause cancer. Those warnings to traffic cops were issued many years ago advising them to turn off the hand helds when not actually shooting a beam at a target. All users nutless or naught should be very careful in shutting off transmission, in the lap or not.

[Liltuffgirl]

They won't get the ticket dropped or shouldn't considering the radar is a tool to help confirm the suspicions of speeding. Training is done to estimate speed by looking at a vehicle and compairing time and distance traveled. By training and experience you can prove a vehicle was in fact going over the speed limit without any radar. They may reduce the amount but it shouldn't be totally dropped because of any variations of traffic flow.

If the radar states one vehicle is going 60 and the other is going 80 you can clearly see which vehicle is going 80. With the technology now in the radars you are getting a pretty accurate reading. The speeder may be going faster than 80 but either way they are in fact breaking the law.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by Liltuffgirl

They won't get the ticket dropped or shouldn't considering the radar is a tool to help confirm the suspicions of speeding. Training is done to estimate speed by looking at a vehicle and compairing time and distance traveled. By training and experience you can prove a vehicle was in fact going over the speed limit without any radar. They may reduce the amount but it shouldn't be totally dropped because of any variations of traffic flow.

If the radar states one vehicle is going 60 and the other is going 80 you can clearly see which vehicle is going 80. With the technology now in the radars you are getting a pretty accurate reading. The speeder may be going faster than 80 but either way they are in fact breaking the law.

Training and experience can prove that the vehicle was speeding but no conviction can get registered by the "opinion' of what the speed was. Police testimony that the car was speeding is proof of speeding but NOT the speed it was travelling.
Most (probably all, except 3rd world shithole dictatorships { u know like California New York etc. lol }) jurisdictions base tax on speeding by a higher tax for higher speeds in the schedule of fines.
Thats where radar comes in - to prove the speed necessary for a conviction and how much tax to pay. The beam has to bounce off the law breaker and be proven so.

Any way - my expertise in radar is in the older radars and ladars of which are the majority in use today. The newest narrow focus point beam technology is making it easier for the tax collectors to make cash for their thieving despot masters (gotta have the money to pay all those high salaries of the bureaucrats). The high expense limits the number in use and users are not cops as they usually are forced into doing nothing but use the money making machines (unless an EXTREME emergency comes up allowing them to do real police work).

Thankfully the hi tech stuff is so expensive it hasn't saturated all the revenuer agencies - YET.

[Ralph Spoilsport]

Traffic cops = Portable Tax Collectors


I think I got that from Karen DeCoster.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by Ralph Spoilsport

Traffic cops = Portable Tax Collectors


I think I got that from Karen DeCoster.

Some traffic cops save lives because they dont play the revenuer game -

They are called CFL's - Constables for life (and they stay that way till retirement).

CERBERUS

[Liltuffgirl]

Originally Posted by RFB

Training and experience can prove that the vehicle was speeding but no conviction can get registered by the "opinion' of what the speed was. Police testimony that the car was speeding is proof of speeding but NOT the speed it was travelling.
Most (probably all, except 3rd world shithole dictatorships { u know like California New York etc. lol }) jurisdictions base tax on speeding by a higher tax for higher speeds in the schedule of fines.
Thats where radar comes in - to prove the speed necessary for a conviction and how much tax to pay. The beam has to bounce off the law breaker and be proven so.

Any way - my expertise in radar is in the older radars and ladars of which are the majority in use today. The newest narrow focus point beam technology is making it easier for the tax collectors to make cash for their thieving despot masters (gotta have the money to pay all those high salaries of the bureaucrats). The high expense limits the number in use and users are not cops as they usually are forced into doing nothing but use the money making machines (unless an EXTREME emergency comes up allowing them to do real police work).

Thankfully the hi tech stuff is so expensive it hasn't saturated all the revenuer agencies - YET.

An officer can write a ticket by looking at a car. Just like they can arrest on suspicion of DUI. Just because you don't have that added proof of radar/laser or PBT/intox does NOT mean the case will be dropped. There is more of a chance it will be reduced but not totally dropped.

we are speaking about tools that HELP prove or disprove accusations. Not all murder trials include the murder weapon. They still get convicted but sometimes of lesser charges.
There is a local case now the girl is in jail because a large amount of the guys blood was found in her apartment and he was last seen going to her apartment. His body was found after she was arrested.. Still no other proof but I bet she'll be convicted.

[Liltuffgirl]

BTW some of this nations worst serial killers were caught by simple traffic violations not all cops are pulling cars over just to give tickets. A good but rather find much more than that.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by Liltuffgirl

An officer can write a ticket by looking at a car. Just like they can arrest on suspicion of DUI. Just because you don't have that added proof of radar/laser or PBT/intox does NOT mean the case will be dropped. There is more of a chance it will be reduced but not totally dropped.

we are speaking about tools that HELP prove or disprove accusations. Not all murder trials include the murder weapon. They still get convicted but sometimes of lesser charges.
There is a local case now the girl is in jail because a large amount of the guys blood was found in her apartment and he was last seen going to her apartment. His body was found after she was arrested.. Still no other proof but I bet she'll be convicted.

Yes, a cop can write a ticket by looking at a car, BUT - cannot get a conviction without evidence.

I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe that in American jurisprudence -- "it will be reduced but not totally dropped".
An information must be laid for a court to have jurisdiction, a charge has to be laid to obtain an "indictement" and proof, "evidence" - not opinion, is required for a conviction. "Expert witness" opinion testimony carries weight but police officers are not deemed to be "expert witnesses".
With a speeding charge the radar machine manufacturer's techno geek, or a physicist (you know - a "SCIENTIST" with specialized training, etc.) can be an expert witness.

Yes a cop can arrest for suspicion of DUI but has to offer PROOF or -
"evidence", beyond a reasonable doubt, in order to obtain a conviction. Suspicion alone is not enough.

When you speak of circumstantial evidence it requires corroborative evidence ALSO, otherwise - no conviction.

And yes the criminal justice system fails often and innocents are convicted with faulty or no evidence - That's why the appeal system is so prevalent.

However, like you, I digress (meaning changing the subject) from the original posts point of fact -

Radar, as I said before -
( Never mind, no need to repeat - it was quite obvious and succinct )




CERBERUS